Scream 7

[0:00] On this episode, we discuss Scream 7.

[0:04] Do you like scary movies?

[0:07] Because I'm kind of getting sick of them by now.

[0:30] Hey everyone and welcome to the Flophouse. I'm Dan McCoy.

[0:37] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[0:38] I'm Elliot Kalin. Dan McCoy, what do we do on this podcast with you, me, and Stuart Wellington?

[0:44] Oh, what don't we do? A lot of things.

[0:46] Don't start with what we don't do. That'll take a long time.

[0:49] Mostly we watch movies and ooh, what are those spooky sounds in the distance?

[0:55] The chains rattling and the ghouls howling.

[0:58] I think Dan's losing it.

[1:01] Yeah, the spider is

[1:02] crawling. Must be

[1:05] Shocktober time. The ghouls are

[1:06] gobbling. And the goblins are ghouling.

[1:09] Even though, peek behind the

[1:10] curtain, we're working ahead of time, so it's

[1:12] mid-September. We're actually recording this in, some would

[1:14] say, early September. It's not quite scary

[1:16] just yet, but it is

[1:17] in this podcast. Ooh, Shocktober.

[1:21] Look outside, the leaves

[1:22] are starting to turn. The air is getting chillier,

[1:24] except here in Los Angeles, where we have a record

[1:26] heat wave for September going on.

[1:28] Yes, but the Flophouse...

[1:31] That's probably cool, right?

[1:32] That's probably a good thing.

[1:34] No, it's a very bad thing.

[1:35] The planet's probably okay, right?

[1:37] Yeah, the planet is doing great.

[1:38] Has anyone checked on that?

[1:40] Is anyone paying attention to the planet right now?

[1:43] We should do a wellness check.

[1:45] There used to be a captain who was in charge of the planet,

[1:48] but unfortunately Doge fired him.

[1:50] Yeah, I took his job.

[1:54] To back up a bit, this is a podcast

[1:56] where we watch a movie that was either a critical or a commercial flop,

[2:02] and then we talk about it.

[2:03] And in October, of course, we focus on scary movies,

[2:08] not the scary movie series, just horror films.

[2:12] Although there will be moments where while talking about this movie,

[2:16] we will probably make the same joke they did in a scary movie.

[2:20] Possibly, possibly.

[2:21] We did have the opportunity to do the new scary movie for this podcast,

[2:25] but you rejected that opportunity as unpleasant.

[2:29] We have the opportunity to do a lot of things.

[2:31] We sure do.

[2:33] What other opportunities do we not take, Dan?

[2:35] I haven't murdered anyone just yet.

[2:38] There are times when selecting movies for this podcast

[2:42] feel like selecting which hammer

[2:44] we want to smash our wiener with.

[2:48] And we chose the less painful hammer.

[2:51] And this October, we get to smash our wiener three times.

[2:54] Three smashes on the wiener.

[2:56] Two of them sequels.

[2:56] That is the name of my Giallo movie.

[2:59] Three smashes on the wiener.

[3:04] I can already see the scene where someone wearing leather gloves

[3:07] picks up the hammer.

[3:09] So this is, of course, we're talking about Scream 7,

[3:13] the seventh Scream film.

[3:15] Thank you for clarifying that.

[3:18] He fucking saved it.

[3:20] Possibly you heard in the intro,

[3:22] depending on which one we chose after Scream 6 and then Scream,

[3:26] which is, of course, technically Scream 5.

[3:27] It goes Scream 2, Scream 3, Scream 4, Scream, Scream 6, and Scream 7.

[3:34] Because I guess Kevin Williamson and the number 5 are still beefing.

[3:37] Yeah.

[3:38] And, like, but Scream 5, I mean, Scream is just Scream 5, right?

[3:43] It's not like a reboot, really.

[3:45] No, it is, in the parlance of our times, a legacy sequel

[3:49] because it is a half reboot.

[3:53] It's introducing new characters,

[3:55] but it brings back old characters.

[3:56] You know what they used to call that?

[3:57] Stillness and continuity.

[3:58] You know what they used to call

[3:59] like a sequels?

[4:00] Sequels.

[4:01] Oh.

[4:03] Somebody woke up Grandad over here.

[4:07] The new generation.

[4:07] Put him back to bed after it.

[4:09] You know what?

[4:09] New generation in the title.

[4:11] Introducing new characters

[4:13] while also continuing old characters.

[4:15] The Planet of the Apes movies did that

[4:16] in the 1970s.

[4:18] So, yeah.

[4:18] Yeah.

[4:19] So put that in your pipe and smoke it, young people.

[4:22] Why are you smoking a pipe, young people?

[4:24] Put that in your vape and smoke it.

[4:25] Well, it's got like crystal meth or something in it.

[4:27] Yeah, probably.

[4:28] To escape the pain of life, yeah.

[4:30] Two kind of rebooty sequels.

[4:34] And then someone said something that the studio didn't like

[4:40] about maybe not killing people.

[4:43] And they went back to the old.

[4:45] Carefully dancing around the subject of genocide.

[4:49] I'm not dancing around it.

[4:50] I just don't want to dwell on it on this comedy podcast.

[4:53] You don't want to get into the Gaza issue on this podcast?

[4:57] What's not funny about that?

[4:59] On today of all days.

[5:01] I think we're –

[5:02] Some perfectly reasonable political reviews were made an example of by the studio.

[5:09] They're like, no, no, no.

[5:10] No, I think the Flottos would like to firmly position its side on the anti-slaughter, anti-slaughtering side of the ledger

[5:17] and then we can move on from that.

[5:20] I mean, I have my own issues with Scream 6

[5:22] that we don't need to get into right now.

[5:24] Sure, sure.

[5:24] But I remember every time you mention it,

[5:26] people write in and they're like,

[5:27] Dan, what's the story about that?

[5:28] What's the story?

[5:29] I'm like, I cannot say.

[5:30] No, can't say.

[5:31] I've been advised not to say it.

[5:32] I both can't say and I don't know fully.

[5:35] And me being a little bit of a stinker

[5:38] likes to bring it up on air.

[5:39] You sure do.

[5:40] You sure do.

[5:41] So we have,

[5:42] can we talk about the series real quick?

[5:45] Let's do it.

[5:46] Let's talk about the series.

[5:47] Or the sequels or screamsicles, as I call them, yeah.

[5:50] The first Scream or just Scream is, I mean, it's a classic.

[5:56] It is a certified banger.

[5:58] It deserves the hype.

[6:00] It deserves the praise it gets, yeah.

[6:02] And it like in a way, I mean, if anything,

[6:06] it popularized the like genre of meta horror for good or ill.

[6:11] But it's genuinely great.

[6:14] sort of rebooted the slasher

[6:16] as a form within

[6:18] horror, something that had been kind of

[6:20] all the juice had been squeezed out

[6:22] of it for a while, and then they're like, oh, but, you know,

[6:24] what about if we squeeze it this way?

[6:26] Oh, there's more. Well, I've said, I've had this

[6:28] conversation a couple times over the past week with

[6:30] colleagues of mine. It is like every

[6:32] ten years, Hollywood,

[6:34] five to ten years, Hollywood remembers

[6:36] that horror is always successful

[6:38] and always popular.

[6:40] It's like every five to ten years, there's a horror movie

[6:42] that's a big success, and Hollywood goes, hey,

[6:44] People are into being scared.

[6:45] People want to be scared for fun.

[6:47] It's like, no shit, dude.

[6:47] Just keep pumping out horror movies.

[6:49] They never stop being successful.

[6:51] Coupled with the fact that horror fans are kind of like heavy metal fans in that they show up.

[6:56] They want to see everything.

[6:57] Like they're committed to their shit.

[6:58] Yeah.

[6:59] I think that oftentimes whoever makes the decision mistakes like a certain like getting tired with a certain strain of horror with like, well, horror doesn't work or whatever.

[7:09] People don't want found footage movies anymore.

[7:11] I guess they don't like being scared.

[7:12] No.

[7:12] Exactly.

[7:13] People always want to be scared.

[7:14] And it's the same way I've had trouble pitching comedy horror projects.

[7:18] And they're always like, comedy and horror.

[7:20] I don't know.

[7:20] And I'm like, well, it's been consistently successful for like 150 years.

[7:25] So I don't know what to tell you.

[7:26] People don't like to laugh and be scared of the same thing.

[7:28] There's no relation between those two things and how they operate at all.

[7:34] It's not like something I talk about in the book Joke Farming.

[7:37] How they operate on the same mechanical principles.

[7:40] Where can I find this book Joke Farming?

[7:43] bookstores everywhere local bookshops perfect yes ask them to order it if they don't have it in

[7:48] sockets from the university of chicago press the audiobook is also of course available as read by

[7:53] me but i will say this about the scream movies the scream movies did a thing the first scream

[7:57] movie does something which i think is really great there had been meta horror movies before

[8:01] there was west craven's new nightmare there was stuff like that but what scream did really well

[8:05] was the idea of people's actions being influenced by the movies that they've seen not that the

[8:11] characters know that they are in a movie but that they are living out the fantasies or the the rules

[8:16] from a movie that they've ingested and that is where this movie tips over into the other balance

[8:22] where the characters seem to be aware that they're in a movie which is too far i like well they seem

[8:27] to be have seen scream one and like let's reenact certain beats and scenes from that movie and we

[8:35] have so scream one classic scream two i think it's still pretty good it helps that it has it has

[8:40] it helps when you have

[8:42] Laurie Metcalf

[8:43] and Timothy Olyphant

[8:45] in your movie.

[8:46] Sure.

[8:46] They're going to be fun.

[8:47] Scream 3...

[8:48] The calf and an elephant,

[8:49] the perfect animals

[8:50] to have in your movie.

[8:51] Yeah, the thing about

[8:52] Scream 3

[8:53] is that I like

[8:54] that it kind of leans

[8:55] into the like

[8:56] Giallo elements of it

[8:57] and I like that it has

[9:00] Courtney Cox's

[9:01] crazy bangs.

[9:02] Her bangs are so bonkers

[9:03] in this movie

[9:04] that it's worth watching.

[9:06] Scream 3 has Parker Posey.

[9:07] And Parker Posey,

[9:08] my mistake.

[9:09] Where she plays

[9:10] what the movie version she plays the part of courtney cox's bangs yeah yeah she was in the

[9:15] makeup chair for over 17 hours to play those bangs i remember and then they used hobbit style computer

[9:21] camera tricks to make her look really little so it looked like she could sit on courtney cox's

[9:25] forehead that's hobbit style all of my fries hobbit style please do you remember the windies

[9:32] you remember that that korean song hobbit style that was really popular for a while

[9:35] I mean, Gollum style sounds closer to Gangnam Style.

[9:40] It's true, it does.

[9:41] That's a good point.

[9:42] And he is like a way better dancer.

[9:44] That's true, but you don't want your fries Gollum style.

[9:45] You don't want that.

[9:46] They're, what, wet and wriggling?

[9:48] Wet and full of fish scales, yeah.

[9:50] The Scream 4, I don't really remember that well, but I remember it being kind of weak.

[9:55] But I like all of the original sort of line of Scream movies.

[10:03] All the sequels are, you know, weaker than the first, but I like the Multiwick greater or lesser.

[10:09] I thought 5 had some juice.

[10:11] I liked 5 well enough, I think, again.

[10:14] I liked it fine.

[10:15] If you're going to reboot things, I liked it fine, but then I was not keen on the next one.

[10:19] Yeah, 6 is garbage.

[10:22] Yeah.

[10:23] And then we come to 7, the one we're talking about today.

[10:26] Is it going to be good?

[10:27] Let's find out.

[10:28] Let's find out.

[10:28] Well, not only shall we bring back Neve Campbell playing Sidney Prescott, but we will also bring back Kevin Williamson, who wrote 1, 2, and 4.

[10:40] And he's the writer-director of this one.

[10:43] And, of course, you know, known for his direction, of course, his previous movie, Teaching Mrs. Tingle, set the world aflame.

[10:49] We all recall his other directorial.

[10:54] That's his only other directorial?

[10:55] Yes, the only other one.

[10:57] Every 27 years he directs a movie.

[10:59] Yeah, I was briefly under the misapprehension that he did.

[11:03] I know what he did last summer, but he just wrote that.

[11:05] No, he just wrote that.

[11:06] I mean, he's an incredibly successful screenwriter.

[11:09] He's a very successful writer.

[11:10] He did Dawson's Creek on television as well.

[11:13] Yeah.

[11:14] There's other like TV projects.

[11:15] He didn't write the Dawson's Creek movie.

[11:17] Is there one?

[11:18] No, I just made that up.

[11:19] I don't think there was.

[11:20] Vampire Diaries, that's him, you know?

[11:23] He wrote The Faculty.

[11:24] Wait, he wrote The Faculty?

[11:26] That's good.

[11:27] Wait, he wrote Vampire Diaries?

[11:29] That was one of the greatest compliments I ever received

[11:33] was when Charlene was teaching her friend's daughter

[11:36] how to party safely,

[11:38] which is a thing that she offers

[11:41] to a very select few teenagers to protect them.

[11:44] And this teenager was like, pointed at me and was like,

[11:47] you look like someone from the Vampire Diaries.

[11:50] And she was trying to remember who it was.

[11:51] I'm like, you don't have to remember who they are.

[11:53] I'm assuming they are hot and that's nice enough.

[11:56] She's like, no, the ugly guy, the real ugly weird guy.

[11:59] There is no ugly weird guy on the CW show.

[12:02] Those don't exist.

[12:03] No, that's true.

[12:04] Somewhat about sexy supernatural creatures, no.

[12:06] The weird ugly guy on the CW show is the hot guy who wears glasses.

[12:10] Yeah.

[12:11] So let's get into the movie because like all screen pictures,

[12:16] there's going to be a lot of red herrings and ins and outs.

[12:19] So we start off in Woodsboro.

[12:21] We go back to Woodsboro, a town from the first movie where Stab

[12:26] fan Scott and his girlfriend

[12:28] Madison visit the house

[12:30] of Stu Mocker, who was played by Matthew

[12:32] Lillard. The movie opens with them listening

[12:34] to a podcast, always a bad sign.

[12:36] Yes. Yeah. Podcasts have

[12:38] no place in popular culture.

[12:40] Has there been any

[12:42] good movie

[12:43] that involves someone listening to

[12:46] a podcast at some point?

[12:49] I can't think of one offhand.

[12:51] That doesn't mean they don't exist, but

[12:54] they certainly have not lodged in

[12:56] the old noggin no i guess so so anyway they're listening to a podcast they let their true crime

[13:01] fans they they are they gonna stay the night at the yeah they're gonna they're going to the

[13:05] stumacher house it's been turned into sort of a combo air airbnb and and murder museum true crime

[13:11] experience uh-huh this is something that maybe it's just an exact it's meant to be like a satirical

[13:16] exaggeration right off the bat i was like i don't know about this guys like for all the true crime

[13:22] fans in the world like it's very rare that a house where a murder took place multiple murders

[13:28] gets turned into like kind of a theme park where there's like photos on the wall and there's like

[13:34] body outlines like turning the mirror around on the audience buddy i guess so because you know

[13:40] the screen maybe this game isn't so funny after all i guess so uh there we hear kind of in passing

[13:47] there's rumors that uh stew might have survived having a television dropped on his head of course

[13:51] stew survived i'm sitting right next to you you had a television dropped on your head stew

[13:57] yeah every day what it feels like watching movies for this podcast am i right

[14:02] uh-huh so for the listeners at home watching movies is positive watching movies feels like

[14:08] uh either getting a tv dropped on your head or getting hit in the dick with it with a hammer

[14:12] yeah either one draw them up fan art uh i want you to draw stewart with some kind of

[14:20] Rube Goldberg contraption machine that involves him watching a bad movie as a TV hits him on the head and a hammer hits him in the neck.

[14:27] There's some murder house shenanigans.

[14:29] There's a bit where the renter calls up with horror trivia like Ghostface to add to the stab experience.

[14:35] We get some unscary fake scares involving a –

[14:39] There's so many fake outs in this sequence.

[14:41] It really – it's like they had a quota they had to use up or else they weren't going to get any more fake outs for the rest of the movie.

[14:48] We get both a motion-activated Ghostface robot and Scott pretending to be the killer to his girlfriend.

[14:54] Before, of course, real new Ghostface kills them both and burns down the house.

[14:59] Now, is there a reason for any of this once you reach the end of the film and look back over the plot?

[15:03] No.

[15:04] No, not at all.

[15:05] So we can have a scream cold open.

[15:07] Every scream has to have one of these things.

[15:09] And I understand that you want to kill right off the bat.

[15:12] You want to set up the level of meta that the movie is dealing with, you know.

[15:16] But also, this is one of those things where it's like, so was he just waiting in the house

[15:20] in costume all this time for just the right moment?

[15:23] In case.

[15:24] It's not quite as silly as, but it's almost as silly as in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull,

[15:28] the Indiana Jones movie, when those, I guess, ancient Incas or whatever they are, the ancient

[15:34] Mayans, just start coming out of the walls.

[15:36] And I'm like, have you been waiting there for hundreds of years?

[15:39] That bothered me so much.

[15:41] Like, you're just like, yeah.

[15:43] Is this what you do all day is you just sit down there in a wall looking like a sculpture in case someone walks by?

[15:49] Yes.

[15:50] How often are you needed?

[15:51] Mm-hmm.

[15:52] But yeah, there's no reason.

[15:54] It turns out at the end, there's no reason for Ghostface to kill these guys unless just practice, you know, keeping the knife sharp metaphorically and literally, you know?

[16:00] There is a moment where Ghostface just takes the knife and like pretty easily just pushes it through a guy's skull.

[16:09] Yeah.

[16:09] And I'm like, that's crazy.

[16:11] Like he doesn't have enough fucking leverage to do that.

[16:13] Now, maybe the knife was vibrating super fast.

[16:15] Maybe he has a baby skull.

[16:16] Yes, it's a vibro blade.

[16:19] I forgot about that.

[16:20] He has a medical thing.

[16:21] It's called butter face,

[16:22] which means that your head has the consistency of butter.

[16:25] Yeah, yeah.

[16:26] It's related to Stallone's disease,

[16:28] which we've talked about on the podcast before.

[16:30] He's a butter sculpture from the state fair

[16:32] that came to life in sort of a hot, frosty situation.

[16:35] We'll see a prequel about that at some point.

[16:39] Ironically, it ends with him and his girlfriend

[16:40] going to the Stumacher house.

[16:42] and now we know

[16:43] the rest of the story

[16:43] as Paul Harvey would say

[16:44] that sounds like

[16:45] is it Joel Stumacher's house

[16:47] well I was thinking

[16:48] it sounds like

[16:49] something that you would say

[16:50] like oh

[16:50] like when Stuart shows up

[16:52] oh the Stumacher's here

[16:53] now the party can start

[16:57] we cut to Pine Grove, Indiana

[17:00] where Sidney Prescott

[17:01] and Neve Campbell

[17:02] is married to

[17:03] police chief Mark Evans

[17:04] played by Joel McHale

[17:06] in a part that was

[17:07] apparently

[17:08] originally supposed to be

[17:09] Patrick Dempsey

[17:10] returning from Scream 3

[17:11] but he was busy

[17:13] so they recast it

[17:14] at the last minute.

[17:16] Okay.

[17:16] It happens.

[17:17] She has a teenage daughter,

[17:19] Tatum,

[17:20] named after

[17:20] Rose McGowan's character

[17:21] from the first movie.

[17:24] Which they mention a bunch

[17:25] but they don't really like.

[17:27] They try to make it

[17:27] an emotional thing

[17:28] and most of the attempts

[17:29] to make any of it emotional

[17:30] in this movie

[17:31] fall flat on their face.

[17:34] I don't really remember,

[17:35] were they really,

[17:36] I don't remember

[17:36] the first Scream that well.

[17:37] Like, were they really

[17:38] that close friends?

[17:39] I remember them having

[17:40] a friend.

[17:40] Okay, because they had

[17:41] such different personalities, the way I

[17:43] remember it. But maybe it was

[17:45] friendship, you know?

[17:46] Yeah, Dan, that's true, that's true.

[17:49] Dan's really the Neve Campbell and Stu's the

[17:51] Rose McGowan. You are unlikely animal friends.

[17:53] Yeah, I open my mouth and Dan climbs in and

[17:55] cleans out my teeth.

[17:57] A friendship between a party animal

[17:59] and a bookworm? That's unlikely, yeah.

[18:03] We're both essentially nerds.

[18:06] That's the secret.

[18:07] We're all nerds.

[18:08] Okay, Sydney's relationship with her

[18:11] daughter tatum is strained because she won't talk to her kid about all the past trauma she has from

[18:16] constantly fighting serial killers over the years an endless stream of copycat killers even though

[18:22] honestly she's pretty well adjusted right yeah who nev campbell her character yeah

[18:27] it's not like it's not like linda hamilton runs into one terminator and then goes buck wild for

[18:35] part two i will say at first i kind of liked it was a little refreshing to see someone who had

[18:41] moved past her trauma as opposed to like isn't it in the recent halloween movies that like yes

[18:46] laurie has like never her whole life now is about michael myers like survivalist yes like i like

[18:52] because in real life many women are the victims of violent assault and their lives continue like

[18:58] like i thought that was a more realistic way to look at it than my i mean she's been attacked by

[19:04] ghost faces so many times at this point that i can understand if she lived in a state of paranoia

[19:08] but i did it was there was something nice about okay this character has not been destroyed by

[19:12] their experiences now the the flip side of that is i never believed the tension between her and

[19:16] her daughter because her daughter's like why won't you talk to me about this stuff and it's like well

[19:20] they've established that she wrote a memoir about it and you'd think she would have warned her

[19:25] daughter this kind of thing happens so you need to be aware of it like that i would have believed

[19:30] more than the advice.

[19:31] Also, the level to which,

[19:32] I'll get into it later,

[19:34] but the level to which

[19:34] she has or has not been prepared

[19:36] also confused me.

[19:37] Yes.

[19:38] So Sydney is suspicious

[19:40] and protective,

[19:42] especially when her daughter,

[19:43] her daughter's boyfriend,

[19:44] Ben, does stuff like

[19:45] sneaking in the window

[19:46] like Skeet Ulrich did

[19:48] back in the day.

[19:48] Ben is so,

[19:49] it's so funny.

[19:49] He's so creep-coded

[19:52] and it's one of those things

[19:52] where it's like,

[19:53] movie,

[19:54] stop throwing the red herrings

[19:55] in my face.

[19:56] Like, come on,

[19:56] like stop shoving it in my face.

[19:57] He's such a creepy guy

[19:59] that either you have no imagination

[20:01] or it's a red herring.

[20:02] So just stop doing it, you know.

[20:04] But you can see that she's like struggles.

[20:06] She wants to open up a bit,

[20:07] but she's also trying to shield her daughter.

[20:10] She like runs a coffee house.

[20:12] Wait, I will say this.

[20:13] I will say this.

[20:14] This is not a Jewish family

[20:16] because if it was a Jewish family,

[20:18] Neve Campbell would only talk about,

[20:20] oh, well, you had a bad day today.

[20:23] What, did a killer run after you?

[20:24] Did all your friends get murdered?

[20:26] Well, I guess you didn't have such a bad day today.

[20:28] That would be—so if this was a Jewish family, she would never stop talking about these things.

[20:31] Now this is working out as a one-man show.

[20:33] Anyway, so my one-man show, my mom's Jewish, my dad is ghostface, and I'm in therapy.

[20:38] We can do those jokes since we explained them on a previous episode.

[20:42] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[20:43] Now it's part of the canon.

[20:46] At her coffeehouse job, Sydney interacts with Lucas, who is a teenage true crime fan

[20:52] who insensitively tries to chatter up about the murders, and we also meet Lucas's—

[20:57] Is this what it's like, Stu, when you're working the bar and a Flophouse fan comes in?

[21:00] Yeah, all the time.

[21:02] They come in and they want to talk to me about true crime, and I'm like, shut up.

[21:07] I think you think that's a different podcast, man.

[21:11] I don't do that.

[21:12] Are you sure you listen to the Flophouse?

[21:13] This kid's also kind of creep.

[21:15] Yeah, the Chophouse, right?

[21:16] He's creep-coded, and his mom, what, Anna Camp?

[21:21] Mom is the great Anna Camp.

[21:22] Always great.

[21:23] She's fun.

[21:24] She's very fun in this, but she's always fun in stuff, yeah.

[21:27] Yeah, she's like, shut up, son.

[21:30] And then she and Sidney...

[21:31] She is like that.

[21:33] She and Sidney have a brief bonding conversation

[21:37] where they talk about their various traumas,

[21:39] which for Anna Capp slash Jessica

[21:42] means her abusive ex-husband that she got away from.

[21:46] And she's a new character, right?

[21:48] New character, new character.

[21:50] The only reoccurring characters

[21:52] other than Sidney and Gail Weathers

[21:54] I will point out as they come.

[21:56] And we meet Tatum's friends, Chloe and Hannah.

[22:01] Hannah's played by McKenna Grace from the more recent Ghostbusters movies

[22:06] and an upcoming other Shocktober movie.

[22:09] We have a double McKenna Grace and Matthew Lillard.

[22:14] That was a real surprise.

[22:18] Wait, what's the other one? Dracula?

[22:20] Yeah, yeah, Dracula.

[22:21] Matthew Lillard plays Dracula.

[22:23] He could do it.

[22:24] he would be he could do honestly he's aged into like he would be good to be honest matthew

[22:29] lillard when he was young i could not fucking stand him but as an older actor i think he's

[22:33] great i think he's really good he's really good he really knows how to play different kinds of

[22:37] characters he's i mean i think he's the best thing in the movie the descendants uh that the george

[22:42] clinton movie like i think he's the best thing in it like the um i think so it was so it was it was

[22:46] a pleasure to see in these two real shit movies that we watched uh for shocktober um that he was

[22:53] in them it was like he drops by uh he drops by the movie the life of chuck and i know that um

[22:57] stewart you're you're not a not a flanagan not a fan again but uh even you would be like okay well

[23:04] this one scene that he has where he comes by and like basically does a monologue is fantastic um

[23:10] and heartbreaking so yeah so we accidentally backed into a into a theme month of matthew

[23:15] lillard and uh and uh and mechanic race yeah um and at school the teens are rehearsing some kind

[23:22] musical at first i thought it was like might be peter pan because hannah is flying around on

[23:27] fairy wings and tatum plays a dog but the dog is called fluffy not nana so it's just something

[23:33] they made up well i think i think because peter pan is only public domain in the united states

[23:37] and not in england they probably didn't want to affect scream seven's release in the uk yeah

[23:41] yeah you know foreign markets are so important these days elliot it's pretty impressive that

[23:47] they're doing a lot of like wire work right well that was my first thought was this is a very this

[23:53] is a very professional rig for a high school play like this i've never seen a high school play that

[23:59] has a flying rig before yeah i feel like i've seen some youtube fails that involve that so

[24:05] um we get a little we get a brief scene with the uh mean drama teacher played by tim simons from

[24:12] one of one of the great one of the great tv and movie assholes tim simons great

[24:15] Yeah, he's immediately great.

[24:19] He's insulting Tatum's dog performance.

[24:21] Normally, the overbearing high school drama teacher

[24:25] who takes it too seriously

[24:26] is a trope that I'm kind of bored of,

[24:28] but I was amused that he's berating her

[24:30] over not being a good enough dog

[24:32] in this dumb mascot dog costume she's wearing.

[24:35] It's so unnecessary,

[24:37] and it is only,

[24:38] spoiler alert for another movie this month in Shocktober,

[24:41] it is only matched in the terms of its unnecessary hostility

[24:45] by Wayne Knight as the mean science teacher

[24:47] in Five Nights at Freddy's 2,

[24:49] which we will talk about in another episode.

[24:51] He is such a dick.

[24:51] And so unnecessarily.

[24:53] Why?

[24:54] Yeah, like her robot seems perfectly good.

[24:56] Anyway, we'll get to it.

[24:57] We need backstory on that one.

[24:59] But it's funny that Tim Simons is just like,

[25:01] he's just picking on her to pick on her.

[25:03] He's just being mean.

[25:03] Yeah, well, he's like,

[25:04] I expected more grit from the daughter of Steve Prescott.

[25:06] And he gets one more joke, I think,

[25:09] later in the movie when being interrogated.

[25:11] He's like talking about his dinner

[25:13] and how he was drinking Aperol Spritz.

[25:14] I thought it was going to be funny.

[25:16] And he was someone who I assumed when they brought him in

[25:18] that they were going to set him up as another red herring,

[25:20] but they don't really.

[25:21] They don't really do much with him.

[25:23] I mean, this movie, like, they've got some charismatic people

[25:26] that they get rid of or kill off immediately

[25:30] in favor of much more boring people.

[25:33] Well, they have kind of, like, some very bland young people.

[25:37] And that's not necessarily the performers.

[25:39] That's the characters.

[25:39] The characters are bland young people.

[25:41] And it stinks when you have, like, these really,

[25:44] I mean, at least Anna Camp has a larger role in the movie,

[25:47] but when you have these, like, really fun older performers

[25:49] and you're kind of not getting them

[25:51] because you have a lot of screen time

[25:52] on these generic teen characters, it's frustrating.

[25:54] And also, like, I'm going to jump ahead briefly to say, like,

[25:58] McKenna Grace is one of the first teens to get killed,

[26:01] and I really enjoyed her in those Ghostbusters movies.

[26:04] I thought that she put in some strong work there.

[26:06] Yeah, I think she's good in those.

[26:06] She's charismatic, and, like, they're like,

[26:08] get rid of the one teen that's kind of interesting right away.

[26:12] Who has any personality.

[26:13] And the weird thing is that the first Scream movie,

[26:15] I think one of the things that is a strength

[26:17] other than just the horror aspects and the meta aspects

[26:19] is all those characters feel like

[26:21] they have real personalities.

[26:22] Like they feel like character types.

[26:24] They don't feel like living human beings,

[26:25] but they all have distinct personalities, you know?

[26:28] But here they're just kind of like,

[26:29] it's just kind of, I kept with Tatum,

[26:31] I kept being like, what kind of person is Tatum?

[26:33] What is she into?

[26:35] Like, what is her,

[26:35] what are her personality characteristics?

[26:37] She's into being mad at her mom.

[26:38] I guess that's it.

[26:39] I mean, to be fair, that is a big thing for teens.

[26:42] Yeah.

[26:43] Teens love it.

[26:43] You know, that's a perennial favorite.

[26:46] You know, like magazines year after year, Tiger Beat or whatever.

[26:50] Tiger Beat, Hot List.

[26:51] Number one, again, being mad at your parents.

[26:53] Yeah.

[26:53] Yeah, yeah.

[26:54] Set up a kiosk at the mall and stuff that talks shit about people's parents.

[26:59] Number two is always male singer who is sexually arousing, but not too threatening, but a little

[27:04] threatening, but not too much.

[27:08] Possibly gay, question mark?

[27:10] Yeah.

[27:10] And then number three, of course, is pizza.

[27:12] Oh, yeah, sure.

[27:13] Or as they call it, Zod.

[27:14] Well, that's the Venn diagram of Teenage Turtles.

[27:16] Were you talking about Liberace?

[27:17] And Teenage Turtles of the Mutant Parade.

[27:20] That's true.

[27:20] Yeah, the Venn diagram between Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

[27:23] and humans is the Teenager Pizza section in the middle.

[27:30] So, anyway, Sidney gets a ghost-based call.

[27:32] When are we going to finally get that Middle-Aged Mutant Ninja Turtles story?

[27:37] I mean, it's got to be coming, right?

[27:38] I mean, like, turtles live for so long, though.

[27:40] They do live a long time.

[27:41] So they're like baby Yodas.

[27:43] You know, they're teens for a while.

[27:46] Sydney gets a ghost face call.

[27:48] When are we going to get that middle-aged baby Yoda story we want so badly?

[27:53] We've seen them old.

[27:54] We've seen them young.

[27:55] What about in the middle?

[27:57] We've never seen a middle-aged Yoda.

[27:58] Why not?

[27:59] I mean, we could walk into Disney right now with this pitch.

[28:01] Is there a moment in Young Sheldon where Young Sheldon walks through a door

[28:05] and he like morphs into Jim Parsons?

[28:09] Do they do a morph?

[28:10] I would love it if they like looked at Mandalorian Grogu and they're like, hmm, okay.

[28:16] The problem isn't that people are overexposed on Star Wars or we're not spending enough time making the Star Wars movies good.

[28:21] The problem is we haven't gotten the right age for Yoda yet.

[28:24] People love the scene where Grogu is taking care of the Mandalorian.

[28:28] So let's – we jump forward.

[28:30] The Mandalorian is a senile old man.

[28:32] Grogu is middle-aged and he has to take care of his father figure.

[28:35] That's relatable.

[28:37] And so Mandalorian, he like – he still – he, you know, thinks that he's still a bounty hunter and Grogu has to humor him sometimes, you know.

[28:46] Here's the movie.

[28:47] It's like nothing in common that Tom Hanks and Jackie Gleeson dramedy where he's like taking care of his – I'm the only person who remembers this movie.

[28:56] I've never heard of this movie.

[28:57] Dan, you could be making up this movie and I would have no idea.

[29:00] Anyway.

[29:01] I've never heard of this.

[29:03] Well, it's because it's not particularly funny or dramatic.

[29:07] dramatic but it's on Tubi so I may be watching it but it was in that cohort of movies that were

[29:13] on HBO when I was young directed by Gary Marshall you must have gotten the regional HBO that showed

[29:18] this whereas I got the one that showed the toy so Hector Elizondo's in it he but he has to be

[29:23] I better believe it buddy he is as Charlie Gargis I'm looking up right now Charlie Gargis

[29:29] of course he's Charlie Gargis who else could be fucking Charlie Gargis

[29:34] of Hector Elizondo.

[29:35] Gary Marshall goes,

[29:36] I just don't know who to cast

[29:37] for Charlie Gargis.

[29:38] And they're like,

[29:39] Gary, the perfect guy

[29:40] is right in front of your face.

[29:41] Hector.

[29:42] I don't think Hector has

[29:43] what it takes to be Charlie Gargis.

[29:44] Trust me.

[29:45] Hector's got the range.

[29:46] He can do it.

[29:47] I don't know who the guy

[29:48] who's trying to Gary Marshall

[29:49] who sounds more like Gary Marshall.

[29:51] Have you seen him in Exit to Eden?

[29:52] The movie that you will make eventually?

[29:54] The movie you haven't made yet.

[29:57] Where he was laid

[29:58] an aristocratic curve.

[29:58] Is he sexually sexual in that movie?

[30:02] Weird.

[30:03] Sidney, I mean, he's good at it.

[30:04] Sidney gets a ghostface call.

[30:06] I mean, again, I'm not going to complain about seeing Hector Elizondo in something.

[30:09] No, never.

[30:09] No.

[30:11] He's got riz.

[30:12] We joke because we love.

[30:13] Exactly.

[30:14] Well, often we joke because we don't love.

[30:16] But with him, we joke because we love.

[30:17] Yeah.

[30:19] Again, Sidney gets a ghostface call.

[30:21] What were we talking about?

[30:23] Which she initially dismisses as a crank call.

[30:26] She's gotten them before.

[30:27] Until he reveals himself via video call.

[30:30] And, uh-oh, it looks like this is Stu all grown up with a scarred face.

[30:34] He is still alive.

[30:36] But still, you know, still looks pretty good.

[30:39] He's not like fucking Darkman.

[30:40] No, no, he's not like Darkman, yeah.

[30:43] He's like a little bit better than Deadpool.

[30:46] No, he's not better.

[30:47] You keep saying that, like, Deadpool looks surprisingly good.

[30:51] I'm like, Deadpool looks fine, but he's like.

[30:53] I would say he looks slightly better than the man without a face from the movie The Same Name.

[30:58] Okay.

[31:00] Yeah, we're making up spectrum of movie scarring.

[31:08] Yeah, no, she says nice try.

[31:09] Stu's dead, but he insists it's him.

[31:11] He says he's at Tatum's school right then.

[31:13] Oh, no.

[31:14] So she alerts her cop husband to go to the theater,

[31:16] but it's too late to save stagehand Aaron or Hannah,

[31:21] who is killed while hanging from the rig.

[31:24] Hannah's death is particularly gory,

[31:26] And it felt undeserved, very undeserved, that it's like, it's one thing if she gets stabbed, that happens in these movies, but she literally is swinging back and forth and he just holds up his knife and it just slits open her belly and her guts fall out onto the floor on camera.

[31:41] And it just seemed, I don't know, guys, it's, I couldn't, I couldn't, I had to rewind.

[31:44] I'm okay with it.

[31:45] I didn't rewind to watch it again because I was like, did that happen?

[31:50] Like, that was much gorier than I expected.

[31:51] I think there's, there's a, there's a kill that's like super kind of gory and weird later on.

[31:56] Yeah.

[31:56] that I think eclipsed this one in my mind.

[32:00] Yeah, that was kind of fun.

[32:04] The cops arrive in time to prevent further murders,

[32:08] but not these murders.

[32:10] Oh, no.

[32:10] And none of our main cast, of course,

[32:12] have good alibis for the killings,

[32:13] so everyone's a suspect.

[32:16] At home, they try and secure Sidney's house,

[32:19] but Ghostface is already lurking in the attic.

[32:23] Like a hider in the house?

[32:25] Mm-hmm.

[32:26] I will say this.

[32:27] Much like a hider in the house.

[32:28] Exactly like one.

[32:30] The definition of one.

[32:31] Only in these movies would everybody be a suspect to murders this random and gruesome.

[32:38] Like, honestly, if my, you know, God forbid this should ever happen.

[32:42] If my kids were, my older son was in high school and he's working at the drama department.

[32:46] He's working on the school play, which we'd never do because he's a jock.

[32:50] It's probably, that's probably going to be Bye Bye Birdie.

[32:54] You know, kind of an old, a standard musical.

[32:56] Like High School Musical?

[32:57] Exactly.

[32:57] But not High School Musical.

[32:59] But not High School Musical.

[32:59] It's the High School Musical version of Bye Bye Birdie.

[33:01] And if he was in the back room, not the back rooms, but if he was backstage.

[33:07] Thank you for the clarification.

[33:08] I think he would do okay, though.

[33:10] He's pretty nimble.

[33:11] As long as he has his baseball cards, I think he'd be fine in the back rooms.

[33:13] He just wouldn't want to leave.

[33:14] My thing is just don't go that far into the back rooms.

[33:16] There's no reason to go that far.

[33:17] What the fuck are you talking about, Dan?

[33:18] There's no reason.

[33:19] It's there for exploring.

[33:21] No.

[33:21] What possible building have you ever been in that you need to explore that much?

[33:26] Do you guys not understand the concept of rabbit holes?

[33:29] Yeah, rabbits live in them.

[33:30] Anyway, so.

[33:31] It's enticing.

[33:32] It pulls you in.

[33:33] You're like, what's that silhouette back there?

[33:35] I mean, to be honest, I am the one person who,

[33:38] if I'm in a building, I want to see every single room

[33:39] and know what it looks like.

[33:41] I was in, I was touring.

[33:43] That's why when you came to my apartment,

[33:44] you're like, what's in here?

[33:45] What's in here?

[33:46] Oh, a closet, eh?

[33:47] What's this?

[33:49] There's dance stuff everywhere.

[33:51] But if he was backstage and then it turned out

[33:55] that someone on stage

[33:56] had had their guts

[33:57] pulled out of their body,

[33:59] I would not be like,

[34:00] did my son do this?

[34:01] I'd be like,

[34:02] some maniac must have

[34:03] gotten into the school.

[34:04] Like, it would not be

[34:05] that everybody's a suspect.

[34:06] Only in these movies

[34:07] is it conceivable, you know?

[34:10] In a world where people

[34:11] are already getting, like,

[34:13] body language experts

[34:14] to, like, review

[34:15] that new Elizabeth Holmes

[34:17] documentary trailer

[34:18] to be like,

[34:19] her body language indicates

[34:21] she's a sociopath.

[34:23] And you're like,

[34:24] I feel like they could

[34:25] get somebody to help here

[34:27] to narrow down these suspects.

[34:29] I would be hard

[34:31] pressed to think of a

[34:33] horror trailer that made me more uncomfortable

[34:35] than that trailer.

[34:37] Not even Other Mommy?

[34:39] Other Mommy is a great trailer.

[34:41] That's a good trailer. There's no way

[34:43] the movie's going to live up to that trailer, but I hope it does.

[34:45] I hope it does. Now, I know that Tatum is sad

[34:47] that her friend just died,

[34:49] but... She doesn't seem that sad.

[34:51] She's like, why didn't you warn me?

[34:53] Maybe I could have saved her, but it really

[34:55] seem like she has like the key information

[34:57] that killers sometimes

[34:59] show up I don't know what her mom could have

[35:01] told her information she's talking about

[35:03] but always make sure you and your friends are wearing

[35:05] knife proof vests at all times

[35:07] you know

[35:07] and stand behind a rabbit

[35:11] proof fence in case if you're

[35:12] scared of rabbit holes yeah

[35:14] yeah you don't want to go down one yeah

[35:16] stay in the front rooms

[35:17] that's my motto

[35:20] not me

[35:23] I'm built different guys

[35:24] Sometimes I stay in the foyer

[35:25] just in case I want to leave early

[35:27] if I get bored or awkward.

[35:29] The ultimate front room, yeah.

[35:32] Tatum is caught by Ghostface

[35:33] and held at knife point for a little bit

[35:36] and there's a little face-off.

[35:37] In the house, yeah.

[35:38] In the house.

[35:38] There's a face-off with the parents.

[35:40] Mark initially overpowers Ghostface

[35:44] but then is knocked down the stairs unconscious.

[35:46] So that's a key thing about the screen movies.

[35:50] As a slasher,

[35:51] is that here the slasher is like a person.

[35:55] Yes.

[35:55] So like they get hurt, they're a little clumsy,

[35:59] they're not perfect murder machines.

[36:01] Which I do like about it.

[36:02] Although I feel like later on as the series has gone on,

[36:06] Ghostface has become more and more capable.

[36:08] And certainly as this movie goes on,

[36:10] Ghostface's are more and more durable, you know?

[36:14] Yeah.

[36:14] No, it is true.

[36:15] Like especially in the first one,

[36:17] it was almost like a Three Stooges sort of like

[36:19] He would be just as likely to get kicked and fall downstairs himself.

[36:24] Yeah, which was great.

[36:25] I mean, and there is something unbelievable about a trained police officer losing a fight to a man wearing flowing robes that are easy to trip in and a mask that makes it harder to see, you know?

[36:38] Sidney and Tatum briefly escape to a safe room and then leave the safe room.

[36:41] This is crazy.

[36:43] Well, I don't remember why they do it.

[36:44] Why does the panic room have an exit into the wall?

[36:48] Because they have an exit into the crawl space and the walls.

[36:51] She's like, is there another way out?

[36:52] Yes, there is.

[36:53] Well, this is not a panic room then.

[36:55] Very bad panic room design.

[36:56] Yeah, let's climb into the walls.

[36:59] Have you ever seen that movie The Raid?

[37:00] We're going to do exactly that, yeah.

[37:04] Well, she wants to go find, she wants to help her husband,

[37:08] but then like Tatum is too stubborn to stay in a safe room.

[37:11] Your husband is a police officer.

[37:13] This is his job.

[37:14] Why are you going to help him?

[37:16] That doesn't make sense.

[37:17] His job is to do this while you stay safe.

[37:20] She does have a lot of Ghostface experience.

[37:22] I will say that.

[37:23] But Ghostface is always a different person.

[37:25] She hasn't been killed by one yet.

[37:27] That's true.

[37:28] She's the least killed by a Ghostface of anyone in the series.

[37:31] But Ghostface is always a different person.

[37:33] So that experience is meaningless.

[37:34] It's not like, oh, here are the rules of Ghostface.

[37:37] Because it's always a different thing.

[37:38] It's not Jason coming back every time.

[37:40] How long do you think the series needs to go on before they get to a point where they're like,

[37:45] It's all been one spirit traveling person to person.

[37:48] Scream 8, probably.

[37:49] Like a hidden thing?

[37:50] Yeah.

[37:51] Or, I mean, I'm surprised they didn't go in the, like, Grendel direction where we have different variations of Ghostface.

[37:57] There's an ancient Ghostface that's resounded throughout history.

[38:01] There's, like, tactical Ghostface, like all that shit.

[38:03] Cyborg Ghostface.

[38:04] I would love it if they really went the Grendel route, and now it's the future, and Ghostface is saving the prince from vampires.

[38:10] Yeah, there's Balkanized clans who worship the Grendel as some kind of war.

[38:15] deity and they're fighting amongst each other

[38:17] and of course there's

[38:18] Ghostface Prime who is a cyborg

[38:21] and fights Batman at one point

[38:23] I gotta

[38:25] reread those Grendel books there's a new Grendel series

[38:27] out now and I kind of want to read all the old ones

[38:29] before I read this one

[38:30] Matt Wagner knows what he's doing

[38:33] and he

[38:34] manages to push the killer into the street where he's

[38:37] immediately run over by a car

[38:39] driven by Gail Weathers

[38:41] aka Courtney Cox who is accompanied by

[38:43] Mindy and Chad Meeks Martin

[38:45] these are our recurring characters from the

[38:48] legacy sequel reboot

[38:49] are we supposed to hate these characters

[38:51] I don't think we're supposed to

[38:54] but I certainly did

[38:55] they are so irritating and so

[38:57] unpleasant to be around

[38:59] and one of them luckily

[39:00] is a nepo baby guys

[39:03] we got the son of Kuba Gooding Jr

[39:05] Kuba Gooding the third

[39:06] and although I like

[39:09] this actor I've liked in a lot of things

[39:11] he was a lot of fun in

[39:13] I Want Your Sex, the new Rocky movie.

[39:15] Again, I'm not going to blame the performers.

[39:17] I don't blame them.

[39:17] I blame the writing.

[39:18] The writing is annoying for these characters.

[39:20] They are playing these characters the way they are written,

[39:23] which is as two annoying asshole pieces of shit.

[39:25] And they are the ones who, more than all the others,

[39:28] treat it as if they know they are in a movie.

[39:30] Like later they're like, hmm, rebooting the franchise.

[39:33] Well, yeah.

[39:33] So if I recall from the Scream, and by that I mean Scream 5,

[39:43] Sidney.

[39:45] Wait, not Sidney.

[39:47] Cindy, I meant to say.

[39:48] Mindy?

[39:49] Mindy.

[39:49] God damn it.

[39:50] Played by Jasmine Savoy Brown.

[39:51] I liked her in Yellow Jackets.

[39:52] Mindy is the sort of Randy character of this.

[39:56] Like super.

[39:57] Oh, never mind.

[39:58] I thought you meant horny.

[40:00] I mean the Jamie Kennedy style.

[40:01] Because I wasn't picking up on the horniness of the character at all, you know.

[40:05] So she's the one who, she's supposed to be the one who's like, this is all a movie.

[40:08] It's all movie rules.

[40:10] Yeah.

[40:11] So, they're fraternal twins who are, like, hanging out with Gail Weathers.

[40:15] They want to, you know, be famous themselves, essentially.

[40:18] Oh, they're supposed to be related to Randy.

[40:20] Oh.

[40:20] Oh, really?

[40:21] I forgot that detail.

[40:22] They are the niece and nephew of Randy.

[40:25] So, it runs in the family.

[40:27] Yeah.

[40:27] So, being an annoying asshole runs in the family, you know?

[40:33] They unmask the killer underneath the wheels of the van.

[40:38] It is Carl Gibbs, a murderer who is...

[40:40] Oh, it was Carl Gibbs.

[40:43] Yeah.

[40:44] I knew it.

[40:45] I should have guessed.

[40:45] From the Bee Gees.

[40:46] They threw it out there so many times.

[40:48] This is one of the things that I found funny

[40:50] because they're like,

[40:51] okay, this is a murderer who escaped

[40:52] from a local mental institution

[40:53] and Sidney saw him at the coffeehouse earlier.

[40:57] But everyone's like,

[40:58] huh, weird.

[40:59] In the past, it's always someone that we know.

[41:02] Like, this is strange.

[41:03] No, but I do like that.

[41:04] I wish they had run more with that

[41:05] because I do like the idea of like,

[41:07] Yeah, people just being ghost-faced now.

[41:09] Like it's not somebody – it reminds me of – I forgot.

[41:12] There's some comic book or movie.

[41:15] Someone write in and tell us.

[41:17] There's something where they unmask a villain and they're like, who is he?

[41:20] And it's like, I don't know, some guy.

[41:22] Not someone I knew already, which is more likely to happen.

[41:27] Yeah.

[41:28] Mandy and Chad trying to steal Gale's thunder.

[41:31] Statistically, there's so many people on the planet.

[41:33] You don't know everybody.

[41:34] You don't know everybody.

[41:35] You can't.

[41:35] Only one person knows everybody.

[41:36] His name is Jesus.

[41:37] Have you guys heard the good news?

[41:39] Yeah.

[41:39] Something kind of about him.

[41:41] I remember when I looked back and there was only one set of bloody footprints,

[41:45] and it's because Jesus was stabbing me.

[41:47] Oh, yeah.

[41:48] Yeah.

[41:49] That's the gospel according to Ghostface.

[41:51] Okay.

[41:54] So these twins, they're trying to do their own report before Gale stops them

[41:57] because they want to be famous.

[41:58] This is also very funny to me, the idea that you are the, like,

[42:01] they're like the camera guy and intern to a reporter,

[42:06] And they keep being like, no, we'll do the report this time.

[42:08] I'll go on camera.

[42:09] It's like, that's not how that works.

[42:10] If they were like, we're going live now from the scene of the Ghostface killing.

[42:15] And they're like, and go to camera.

[42:17] The director at the station would be like, who the hell is this?

[42:19] What is going on?

[42:20] Where's Gale?

[42:21] And you would wonder why Gale hasn't just fired them already.

[42:24] Except for it seems that she's fallen on hard times.

[42:27] Her contract hasn't been renewed.

[42:28] So I guess she needs her lackeys.

[42:31] I guess they're like freelance journalists or something.

[42:33] Yeah.

[42:33] And she's hungering for a comeback.

[42:35] But this is barely explored.

[42:37] There's a lot of stuff that's sort of like said but not developed.

[42:42] There's a brief part in here where Sidney asks Lucas about AI

[42:45] because she suspects what everyone in the audience already suspects,

[42:48] that Stu is just a deepfake.

[42:50] And we get a little meta talk between Gale and Sidney

[42:53] about how Sidney sat out New York, a.k.a. Scream 6.

[42:59] She says something like, no, it was good you sat out.

[43:02] It's good you didn't come to New York.

[43:03] You should have read the script.

[43:04] It was bad.

[43:05] uh they get another call from stew who threatens our legacy characters and sydney agrees to go with

[43:13] gail to investigate at the mental hospital uh after a little uh token tatum too dangerous

[43:19] tatum it's too dangerous for you to come along uh they hit the institution where they meet

[43:26] supervisor marco davis who is played by uh now balding 90s teen heartthrob ethan and

[43:33] Embry.

[43:34] Hell yeah.

[43:35] We got a character actor,

[43:36] so he's probably going to be

[43:38] in more than one scene here.

[43:40] He's probably, yeah,

[43:41] not that important.

[43:42] We can probably forget

[43:43] about this guy, right?

[43:44] No, it's my...

[43:44] Did you guys see

[43:45] The Devil's Candy?

[43:46] He's really good in that.

[43:48] I think he's good.

[43:49] He's another guy who, like...

[43:50] No, I haven't seen that.

[43:50] I know The Devil's Candy,

[43:51] the book about the making

[43:52] of Bonfire of the Vanities.

[43:53] Back in the day...

[43:54] I think it's a different story

[43:56] that I'm talking about.

[43:57] Back in the day, you know,

[43:58] it's kind of hard to judge

[43:59] someone's abilities

[44:01] when they're just getting, like,

[44:02] teen heartthrob roles but uh he's another person who i think as a character actor has uh has been

[44:08] great we don't necessarily know he'll come back this could be a cameo could be a stunt casting

[44:13] cameo it turns out not to be uh but marco claims to recognize stew as a john doe drifter who had

[44:20] been there since the 90s with memory loss until he was released just two weeks ago and he says

[44:27] He was close friends with the run-over murderer.

[44:30] I think it is very funny, the idea that, yeah, we had this John Doe.

[44:35] No way of recognizing him or identifying him when Stu Mocker is apparently famous.

[44:40] He is famous enough that people are going to his old house to relive his murders.

[44:45] But at the institution, they're like, yeah, we don't really have the media around here.

[44:48] We don't have the internet.

[44:49] It's a screen-free zone, so we don't look things up.

[44:53] They don't want to work up the people there.

[44:55] It's mostly part cheesy that they have.

[44:58] With actual cheese, that's the difference.

[45:02] Or things that are part cheesy.

[45:05] Like combos?

[45:07] Mm-hmm.

[45:08] It's a combo of cheesiness and pretzeliness.

[45:11] Pretzels, yeah.

[45:11] Yeah.

[45:12] I think I once wrote a joke for The Daily Show,

[45:18] which I think ended up in the air,

[45:19] but I can't remember,

[45:20] about referring to combos as tasting like

[45:22] a Lincoln Log somebody jizzed in.

[45:25] Pretty good.

[45:28] Anyway, I can't remember if that ended up on the show or not.

[45:32] Back at Sidney's place, the twins are hanging out with Tatum,

[45:35] being annoying and theorizing about who the killer is,

[45:38] and they are starting to hatch their own plan to figure it out.

[45:41] Did you mention that Sidney and Tatum and Mark's house

[45:45] is under partial construction, filled with lots of sheets and lights?

[45:49] The garage is covered in tarps and such.

[45:53] And improvised weapons.

[45:56] A lot of...

[45:57] A lot of very killable with construction equipment.

[46:01] Well, and a lot of stuff will happen in the garage,

[46:02] I assume as a homage to Rose McGowan getting killed

[46:06] by a garage door opener in the first one.

[46:10] That's a great classic iconic kill.

[46:12] Her face getting all squished.

[46:14] Terrible, terrifying.

[46:16] Meanwhile, Sidney agrees to a live TV interview with Gale

[46:19] to lure Stu out of the shadows.

[46:23] And while her husband, Mark, wanders around their mid-renovation garage, he gets stabbed several times by Ghostface, way too many times to possibly survive several hours later.

[46:34] So we can say goodbye to Mark 100%.

[46:36] We'll never see Mark again.

[46:37] Never see him again.

[46:39] Must be dead.

[46:39] Dr. Dan McCoy, MD, over here.

[46:43] The MD stands for McCoy, Dan.

[46:44] I think I can make that – I think I can say that someone stabbed that many times in the organs area.

[46:50] Do you not see the text at the beginning of the movie which airs in front of all Scream movies, the text where it says, in another world much like our own but where stab wounds are much easier to shake off?

[47:02] And then the movie starts.

[47:03] Yeah, that makes sense.

[47:05] I did see the part on the poster where it claimed to be 100% medically accurate.

[47:13] Red right hand plays.

[47:13] That's why there was that long scene about kidney disease.

[47:17] Do you not remember that?

[47:18] where they just talk about it, get your kidneys checked out.

[47:21] Peeing is a privilege, not a right.

[47:23] I thought that was getting a little weird at that point, yeah.

[47:25] Kind of militant about it.

[47:26] Well, it inspired me to write my one night only style script

[47:30] where peeing has been banned

[47:31] and people have to find illicit ways

[47:34] to get the urine out of their body.

[47:35] Do they save it up for one day?

[47:37] One day out of the year you can pee

[47:39] and everyone just goes, uh, uh.

[47:42] And it feels so good to get that pee out, yeah.

[47:44] But it's like you got to wear a still suit

[47:45] that collects the pee.

[47:46] It's kind of like a colostomy bag,

[47:48] But, you know, you do all these calculations about like, oh, okay, how much liquid do I need to take in to be alive but not pee?

[47:55] And everybody's running so that it's sweating out instead of having to be peed out.

[47:59] Yeah, exactly.

[48:00] Oh, okay.

[48:01] Sounds good.

[48:02] Are there any lazy fremen who just stand around pissing shit in their pants?

[48:05] It's the lazy fremen.

[48:08] A stanky-legging around the desert, shitting in piss.

[48:11] I mean, they all are.

[48:12] They all are, right?

[48:13] They all stanky-legging around.

[48:14] I mean, but the stillsuit, it doesn't recycle poop, too, does it?

[48:18] Because there is moisture in that, but like...

[48:20] I thought it was recycled poop.

[48:22] Then what happens with the...

[48:23] I guess they probably burn the dry part of the poop.

[48:25] They suck so much liquid out that it's just dust

[48:28] and it joins the sand on our rackets.

[48:30] Somebody send me the Incredible Cross-Sections image of this, please.

[48:34] Of the still suit, yeah.

[48:35] Still suit, yeah.

[48:37] As I was saying, Red Right Hand plays,

[48:39] just to remind us of a Better Scream movie,

[48:41] as the town curfew goes into effect.

[48:45] Tatum meets her boyfriend Ben,

[48:46] her friends Chloe and Lucas, and the Meeks twins at a closed local tavern

[48:51] where Claire gives her Randy-style monologue about how tropes apply,

[48:57] saying that this time it's all about nostalgia and about Sydney.

[49:02] And I got to say, like, the one thing about the meta stuff about Scream,

[49:06] I got to say, love Scream, the first Scream.

[49:10] But even back then when Randy said the shit,

[49:13] It wasn't actually helpful in any way.

[49:15] No.

[49:16] To avoid, like, getting killed or any, like,

[49:18] he, like, lays out the rules,

[49:20] and the rules are essentially irrelevant.

[49:22] The rules are just like Kevin Williamson

[49:23] saying things that, like, horror fans already knew

[49:26] were true about slasher films.

[49:28] The reason, I think one of the reasons

[49:30] the first Scream was so successful

[49:31] is that he does have the Randy character

[49:33] informing non-horror fans,

[49:35] these are the rules you need to live by.

[49:37] But at this point, there's not, like,

[49:39] there's nothing that these characters are saying

[49:41] that is informing an audience

[49:43] that maybe isn't already steeped in these tropes.

[49:45] It's just, instead of doing the thing,

[49:47] they're calling attention to the thing.

[49:48] Instead of embodying it, they're just saying it.

[49:51] But in the first one, I think there is a use for it

[49:52] because like you said,

[49:54] like slasher movies had not been successful for a while.

[49:56] Scream kind of brought them back.

[49:57] And so audiences were not familiar with the rules

[50:00] the same way they all hadn't read Girls in Chainsaws,

[50:03] the classic academic text on it.

[50:06] And so it was helpful in that reason.

[50:09] But at this point, yeah,

[50:10] nothing she's saying in this is is at all helpful in that way no it was useful for the audience it

[50:13] was like fun like narrative like frosting to be put on top of the the cake but it just never struck

[50:21] me as like i'm sorry i got the name of the book wrong i'm sorry it's men women and chainsaws

[50:24] that's the book men women chains it never struck me as if it was like truly integrated into the

[50:29] movie where it's like and this affects the action of the movie but because the the killers in the

[50:36] first screen movie spoiler alert are horror movie obsessed nerds and they are operating their brains

[50:43] are kind of operating on those things whereas now that shit doesn't matter at all yeah yeah uh

[50:51] at the tv studio for this interview sydney's like are you gonna play nice and gail says of course

[50:56] not and i gotta say nothing about their friendship at this point makes sense to me like after years

[51:02] and years and several murders,

[51:05] Gail still wants to do

[51:06] like a hardball interview of Sydney.

[51:08] I don't, it doesn't really,

[51:10] I mean, especially when this is like

[51:11] all planned to lure her.

[51:13] I mean, I know that she wants to be back on top,

[51:15] but I don't know.

[51:16] I feel like we're past this

[51:17] with the characters of Gail and Sydney.

[51:19] I think I would, I did not,

[51:20] I don't buy them as having this friendship.

[51:23] Like they hug and it's like,

[51:23] oh, I'm so glad you're here.

[51:24] Like I would buy it

[51:25] if they had more kind of

[51:26] real housewives style friendships

[51:28] where they're bitchy with each other.

[51:29] And it's like, we're in this together,

[51:30] but we don't really like each other.

[51:32] They just go to different locations to get in arguments.

[51:34] Exactly.

[51:35] But instead, it's supposed to be that they're really,

[51:38] yeah, that they have a relationship

[51:39] and it doesn't really work.

[51:41] Yeah.

[51:42] Well, Sidney uses the interview to ask Stu

[51:45] why he's doing this and what he wants

[51:46] and Gail taunts him a bit

[51:47] before bringing up Sidney's children,

[51:49] which causes Sidney to walk off the interview immediately.

[51:53] It all seems kind of counterproductive to the plan.

[51:55] It shows you how few people you need

[51:57] to broadcast a television show

[51:59] because I don't think there's anyone operating

[52:01] the the switchboard really the cameras that like the lights there's like there's just a local the

[52:07] local tv news guy like four people and and uh and and gail's couple and they're like that's it like

[52:13] there's nobody else in the in the in the building it's crazy uh after the uh the aborted interview

[52:21] stew calls them to say he is at parker's tavern with the kids causing sid to run out while gail

[52:29] contacts the cops for some backup

[52:31] and near the tavern

[52:33] Tatum gets suspicious of Ben

[52:34] after finding a laptop in his car

[52:37] where

[52:39] he was running a test to

[52:41] deep fake and

[52:43] see whether you could

[52:45] put Stu's face on him and

[52:46] we learn later

[52:47] I know how this looks

[52:49] we learn later this is a red herring

[52:52] but if you're going to run this kind of test

[52:55] I strongly suggest you tell your

[52:57] girlfriend up front to avoid these kinds

[52:59] of misunderstandings that

[53:00] end with Ben getting hit

[53:03] in the head with a laptop and her running away.

[53:06] Like, this is exactly the

[53:07] sort of thing you don't do secretly

[53:09] and then leave the evidence around.

[53:12] That's a fucking

[53:12] hindsight 2020 thing, you know.

[53:15] It's easy to Monday morning quarterback

[53:17] you in this situation. He has one of those laptops

[53:19] where you don't need a password to

[53:20] get into it when you open it up.

[53:23] He just disabled that, you know.

[53:24] Yeah, I'm like, Elliot, it's Fort Knox of a laptop.

[53:27] I mean, you do have children running around,

[53:30] so you don't want them to...

[53:31] I mean, I just don't want them

[53:32] messing with my work, basically, you know?

[53:34] Well, that's the next announced

[53:36] national treasure movie, actually,

[53:37] is Nick Cage has to get into Elliot's laptop.

[53:39] Oh, that's cool.

[53:41] Good luck, good luck,

[53:43] because of all the revolutionary secrets inside there.

[53:45] Oh, I got in.

[53:46] It's full of Abraham Lincoln stuff and fetish content.

[53:49] Full of Abraham Lincoln gifs.

[53:54] I could use these.

[53:55] I could use these in my text conversation.

[53:57] I'll just save these to my camera roll.

[54:00] This is useful.

[54:02] Oh, look, there's all these drafts of projects that Elliot worked on years ago

[54:05] that he doesn't really need, but he's holding onto them just in case.

[54:12] Computer humor.

[54:14] Inside the bar, Ghostface injures the twins and kills Chloe and Lucas.

[54:18] Unfortunately, does not kill the twins, yeah.

[54:20] The latter of which gets the most gnarly death of the movie.

[54:23] He's impaled on a tap, and I guess blood and beer shoots out of his mouth?

[54:27] Yeah, his head kind of blows up a little bit, and then beer shoots out of his mouth.

[54:31] Now, Stuart, I wanted to ask, as a libations professional, could that happen?

[54:36] It's like one of the first things we have to train people about.

[54:39] We don't want that to happen.

[54:40] Usually that sharp, because this one has like a spear tip at the top of it.

[54:44] That's wild.

[54:44] I assume that was for like a novelty beer, because you know how they give you those handles for specific beers.

[54:49] A hundred percent what I would tell you is that much weight being put on the tap handle, the pin would snap right off immediately.

[54:58] Also, this is just like a wild ghost face moment to be like, I'm going to pick up this boy and spear his human head on a thing and then just stand there watching it.

[55:10] Especially when we would come to learn the identity of the killers.

[55:13] It feels extra weird to me.

[55:14] Yes.

[55:15] We will circle back to that, certainly.

[55:18] but it's a fun idea for a kill

[55:21] it's really silly and gruesome

[55:23] yeah like

[55:24] I guess go more gruesome

[55:26] I don't know

[55:27] I'd rather they go sillier and more over the top

[55:30] but it reminded me of

[55:31] was it Sorority Row

[55:33] the movie we did where like

[55:35] they like shove a bottle down a woman's throat

[55:38] really far

[55:39] where it was like

[55:40] that's a gruesome use of it

[55:42] it's like Bugs Bunny all the time

[55:44] and his body turns into a bottle shape

[55:46] yeah that's well that's what the killer expected to happen yeah really upset it was like frankenstein

[55:51] throwing the you know the kid into the lake because he went to the chuck jones school of

[55:55] medicine yeah yeah um outside uh ghostface chases no this is only cartoon anatomy it's not applicable

[56:02] to humans uh he kills her boyfriend ben uh tatum runs to sydney's uh coffee house and texts her mom

[56:10] who lets her know that there is a gun in her office and she's able to instruct her daughter

[56:15] from a distance by monitoring these security

[56:17] cameras, which lets Tatum

[56:19] shoot Ghostface through the wall.

[56:21] What a cool ad for security cameras,

[56:23] right, guys?

[56:25] I mean, you probably should have a security

[56:27] camera inside a business.

[56:30] I have it for

[56:31] insurance reasons.

[56:33] I don't like the idea of public

[56:35] cameras that are just watching street corners, but

[56:37] if you own a business, I could totally understand having

[56:39] a security camera inside.

[56:42] And it

[56:43] helps do things like shooting Ghostface

[56:45] through the wall that's true that's another thing i have to train my staff on is in case you get

[56:49] trapped in the office while ghostface is prowling yeah you can shoot through a wall but you gotta

[56:53] shoot him in the head ghostface killers he goes she goes shoot him in the head to make sure he's

[56:56] dead but tatum doesn't do it yeah uh well yeah even though he seems dead she's like you gotta

[57:02] shoot him in the head doesn't do it uh he gets up she's only barely able to fight him off before

[57:07] being confronted with a second killer at the door which would be shocking if there wasn't always uh

[57:12] there's always multiples killers going back to the first movie that was three ghost faces

[57:17] i mean what they they should have had an army of ghost faces like they should have had it's a whole

[57:23] secret society of ghost faces they don't they're not they have no personal relationship with these

[57:28] characters but they they decided that they need to fulfill ghost faces ultimate goal of killing

[57:33] um nev campbell and her family like that's if you want me to write scream 8 i'm giving you the plot

[57:38] for it right now just come and hire me honestly like that is sort of too disturbingly real sounding

[57:45] to me like there's some like incel-esque board that would be exactly would be yeah yeah there's

[57:49] some incel-esque board that's saying like it would and not like we worship ghost face he's a god but

[57:54] like wouldn't it be cool and funny if we did this that ghost face to them is the ultimate like the

[58:00] same way the same reason the guy killed charlie kirk where it was like this will be a this will

[58:03] be a cool thing to brag about online like this that there's a bunch of people who are like ghost

[58:07] face is the ultimate i don't know what the word is for a cool guy online let's call him a digit

[58:12] did you add no because chad is a bad thing um the uh yeah bad thing to he's the ultimate alpha that

[58:20] he's the he's the ultimate alpha he doesn't give a shit we're gonna do what he what he did that's

[58:24] your scream eight that's just and you make it about yeah in cell message board shit you know

[58:28] um anyway uh ghost face tells sydney call sydney to say he has tatum trapped uh back at their home

[58:37] She gets there to see a message from Stu on the house's various televisions and screens, but he changes his appearance.

[58:45] He's morphing, guys.

[58:46] Everybody's morphing these days, especially Stu.

[58:49] He becomes previous Ghost Faces, Nancy Loomis, Roman Bridger, and also he becomes Gale's late lamented ex, Officer Dewey, who guilts Sidney for all the loved ones around her who have died.

[59:03] Which I'm just going to say is not Sidney's fault.

[59:05] No, yeah, yeah.

[59:06] Sidney at no point brought this on herself.

[59:09] This is not a Little Shop of Horrors type situation.

[59:11] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[59:13] Sidney finds Tatum tied to a chair just like her dad was in the first movie

[59:17] while Ghostface holds her at knife point

[59:19] and reveals himself to be Marco slash Ethan Embry.

[59:25] Oh, you were right, Dan.

[59:26] They did bring him back.

[59:28] He used to work in tech, which is how he was able to do things too.

[59:31] Oh, yeah, cool, cool description.

[59:33] Oh, because only tech guys can do that.

[59:35] He drags Mark back into the room.

[59:38] Her husband's somehow still alive, which is...

[59:41] Joel McHale has infinite reserves of energy that keep him alive.

[59:46] Well, the funny thing is, it is so improbable

[59:48] that Marco himself comments on it within the movie.

[59:52] Yeah.

[59:53] Then the second ghost face unmasks,

[59:55] and it is, of course, Anna Camp,

[59:58] who is another person who is too big a recognizable name

[1:00:02] to just be some lady who's hanging around

[1:00:05] on the outskirts of the movie.

[1:00:06] But yeah, and I mean, really hanging around barely in it.

[1:00:10] Like, I feel like at least the earlier screams were like,

[1:00:14] let's sprinkle these characters around liberally

[1:00:16] so that when they're revealed, you're like shocked

[1:00:19] as opposed to like, oh yeah, they were here earlier.

[1:00:22] Yeah, do some stunt casting of people

[1:00:26] who don't turn out to be the killer.

[1:00:28] You know, I will say her showing up at the end as the killer

[1:00:31] made me feel a little better about her character

[1:00:32] having a teenage son

[1:00:34] where I'm like, Anna Camp is slightly younger than me

[1:00:37] and I have a middle school aged

[1:00:38] son. I don't want to feel like

[1:00:40] she's not old enough to have a high school aged son.

[1:00:43] At this point, she doesn't have a high school aged son

[1:00:44] anymore because he got totally

[1:00:46] roasted. Because he got murdered by her accomplice.

[1:00:49] Yeah, yeah. Well,

[1:00:50] I have a

[1:00:51] friend who on his

[1:00:54] Letterboxd review did

[1:00:56] the math on who did what killings

[1:00:59] and I was too lazy to check

[1:01:00] the work but dan not too lazy you were that was the right choice it was the right choice not to

[1:01:06] yeah yeah i didn't want to let's say it that way you had other things to do with your time but

[1:01:10] according to his math which i trust because he's the kind of guy who would do this that was anna

[1:01:16] camp who killed her own kid in that scene um she's got some of her body strength yeah well that's the

[1:01:23] other idea that that's the one of the two unbelievable things about it yeah well later

[1:01:27] on she's like he was too much like

[1:01:29] his father but I'm like

[1:01:30] was he he seemed like just

[1:01:33] a kid like a nice kid

[1:01:34] he's kind of a creep you know he's into

[1:01:36] crime stuff

[1:01:38] anyway her backstory get

[1:01:41] him out of here is what I

[1:01:42] say as someone who at that age was reading all the

[1:01:45] like mind hunter books about serial

[1:01:47] killers and things like that

[1:01:48] Anna Camp is a

[1:01:51] sort of ghost face prime

[1:01:53] she's the mastermind here and she

[1:01:55] explains that she's very much not ghostface prime that would be the character well in this movie

[1:02:00] she's the alpha she's the ghostface alpha ghostface yeah and ethan emery's the ghostface

[1:02:04] beta cuck yeah yeah she explains that sydney was an inspiration to her uh you know fighting back

[1:02:11] against uh all these killers so she trained and got strong and killed her bad husband

[1:02:15] and got away with it but then was disappointed you go girl she was disappointed that sydney

[1:02:21] stepped back from public life and didn't go to new york and look i was annoyed that nev campbell

[1:02:27] wasn't in the last movie too but i didn't kill anyone about it so uh jessica was the one who

[1:02:34] spent time at the mental institution where she met marco and the other lackey ghost face and

[1:02:40] she wants to turn tatum into the new sydney by repeating the trauma that made sydney into a

[1:02:47] survivor and it's all you know more meta stuff about setting up a new final girl now that the

[1:02:52] old one is past her prime but at a signal from sydney tatum headbutts a sydney signal

[1:02:59] she headbutts jessica and i'm thinking wasn't the whole point supposed to be that sydney didn't

[1:03:04] prepare her but apparently they've got like signals for this eventuality it's stuff that

[1:03:08] they now because they're so close now after going through the experience of this trauma

[1:03:13] now they can just speak to each other

[1:03:15] in this way yeah and the thing is that

[1:03:17] she thinks she hasn't been

[1:03:19] trained but these were all subconscious

[1:03:21] training

[1:03:22] that she's been doing with her daughter

[1:03:24] wax on wax off

[1:03:25] altered her brain

[1:03:28] it should be like quick

[1:03:30] dry the dishes huh what

[1:03:33] and she's blocking the eyes

[1:03:34] now walk the dog

[1:03:37] and she does the thing that

[1:03:38] heavy dog

[1:03:41] costume she had to wear

[1:03:42] was to train her to...

[1:03:44] Exactly.

[1:03:45] Oh, now I can move

[1:03:46] like I'm superhuman

[1:03:47] because I'm used to moving

[1:03:48] with a dog costume on.

[1:03:49] Yeah, Harrison Berger on there, yeah.

[1:03:50] Yeah.

[1:03:51] Now, I think it would have been

[1:03:52] a better movie

[1:03:53] if she had been training her daughter

[1:03:55] and her daughter was like,

[1:03:56] ugh, why do I have to do this shit?

[1:03:58] It's never going to...

[1:03:58] What are the odds

[1:03:59] this is ever going to happen again?

[1:04:00] And then it turns out,

[1:04:01] no, it does happen again.

[1:04:02] And I think it would be more

[1:04:03] in keeping with the character

[1:04:04] as we have seen her

[1:04:06] in previous movies.

[1:04:06] As opposed to,

[1:04:07] mom, do you want to try to warn me

[1:04:09] about what it's like

[1:04:09] when a killer runs after you?

[1:04:10] I don't want to talk about it.

[1:04:11] That was a bad time.

[1:04:12] I don't want to get into it.

[1:04:13] I'm tired.

[1:04:15] I was running a bakery all day.

[1:04:18] That's if I was Sidney.

[1:04:20] Do we have to?

[1:04:22] Do I have to protect you from a killer?

[1:04:25] Another phone call.

[1:04:28] Unknown number.

[1:04:29] Great.

[1:04:30] Not answering that.

[1:04:32] I mean, there is no reason to answer those calls.

[1:04:34] I do not.

[1:04:35] I miss all kinds of doctor's appointment calls because I'm not going to answer an unknown number.

[1:04:40] Someone must have done that sketch.

[1:04:41] And if they haven't, they should.

[1:04:42] Where Ghostface is dialing.

[1:04:44] They're like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[1:04:45] Pick up.

[1:04:46] Pick up.

[1:04:47] Pick up.

[1:04:47] And they're just leaving messages.

[1:04:48] It's me.

[1:04:49] I want to ask you if you know like scary movies.

[1:04:52] Pick up, please.

[1:04:53] Okay, call me back.

[1:04:54] I've got this whole thing planned.

[1:04:56] Like, please, just call me.

[1:04:57] Like, that sketch must exist.

[1:04:58] If it doesn't, somebody's got to do it.

[1:05:00] Yeah, yeah.

[1:05:01] Okay, seriously now.

[1:05:02] I have other things I need to do today.

[1:05:04] I can't spend all day just calling you to taunt you.

[1:05:06] Please pick up.

[1:05:07] I know you have your phone on you.

[1:05:09] Please.

[1:05:09] You know it's me.

[1:05:10] I put a lot of work into this.

[1:05:11] But I have so many...

[1:05:12] Look, I'm right outside.

[1:05:13] I can see you.

[1:05:14] I can see...

[1:05:15] Look, you're glancing at your phone.

[1:05:16] You're silencing it.

[1:05:18] I can see you doing it.

[1:05:19] I didn't just go to IMDb Trivia for my trivia.

[1:05:22] I went to primary sources.

[1:05:24] I know this is all real.

[1:05:25] I interviewed the directors and cast of the film

[1:05:28] to find anecdotes nobody would know about.

[1:05:31] Well, then how is it trivia?

[1:05:33] Oh, you picked up.

[1:05:34] Oh, you picked up.

[1:05:35] Oh, you're there.

[1:05:36] Okay, so anyway, hey, I'm right outside.

[1:05:38] Can you let me in?

[1:05:39] Because, honestly, I've been in this mask and this costume for a while.

[1:05:42] I'm getting kind of overheated.

[1:05:45] Hello?

[1:05:46] Hello?

[1:05:46] My car's been idling.

[1:05:48] I need to jump.

[1:05:49] And then Ghostface's phone rings.

[1:05:52] Hey, are you coming into work today?

[1:05:53] I'll be there.

[1:05:54] This is taking longer than I thought it would, okay?

[1:05:58] Anyway, Sidney shoots Marco.

[1:06:00] Dude, the manager's really mad.

[1:06:01] Just tell him I'm almost there.

[1:06:03] Tell him I'm almost there.

[1:06:04] Just cover for me.

[1:06:05] Yeah, the manager says Sunco's video won't run itself.

[1:06:09] uh oh it's a period sketch i mean it's a it's a ghost face he's gotta work at like suncoast

[1:06:17] yeah uh sydney shoots marco tatum runs off and then sydney uh walks to the garage and there's

[1:06:25] a fight and uh tatum returns to shoot jessica just in time to save her mom but then the body

[1:06:32] disappears again after sydney says you gotta shoot her in the head yeah and then jessica

[1:06:36] It pops up and both of them shoot her in the head a comical number of times.

[1:06:40] They just destroy her head.

[1:06:41] The face is goo.

[1:06:42] What is it with movies now where, I get it because it's really gruesome and it's off-putting,

[1:06:47] but like I've seen a few horror movies in a row now that are newer where someone's face just gets destroyed

[1:06:51] and just gets turned into a bloody pulp.

[1:06:53] Is that just, is that what people are into now, Dan?

[1:06:57] Yeah, I don't know.

[1:06:58] I'll ask around.

[1:07:00] Okay.

[1:07:01] Like down at the dock?

[1:07:02] But it's almost, it's like somebody, it's like, I'm going to find out like that,

[1:07:06] two years ago

[1:07:07] somebody really perfected

[1:07:09] mashed face prosthetic technology

[1:07:11] and all the directors

[1:07:12] wanted to use it really badly

[1:07:13] or something like that.

[1:07:14] You know.

[1:07:16] You know,

[1:07:16] Sydney gets her like

[1:07:17] hero line.

[1:07:19] She goes,

[1:07:19] pass my prime,

[1:07:20] fuck you.

[1:07:21] And we get some...

[1:07:23] And then she puts sunglasses on.

[1:07:25] And then he goes,

[1:07:25] ow!

[1:07:27] CSI scream.

[1:07:29] We get some callback moments.

[1:07:31] The injured Mark

[1:07:32] gets taken from the house

[1:07:33] like Dewey did

[1:07:34] in the first scream.

[1:07:35] Claire does a remote report like Gail did at the end of the first movie.

[1:07:38] And this is, you know, it's like George Lucas says, it's all echoes.

[1:07:41] It's, uh, it's echoes.

[1:07:43] Art is best when it slavishly recreates its past, uh, forms.

[1:07:48] Uh, and anyway, mother and daughter finally understand each other.

[1:07:52] They have a little heart to heart.

[1:07:53] They hug.

[1:07:54] The nightmare is over.

[1:07:55] Scream seven.

[1:07:57] There's a, there's a funny shot.

[1:07:59] I thought it was very funny of just a medium shot from a little bit of distance of them

[1:08:02] walking away from the house.

[1:08:03] And I was like, I couldn't help being like, why is this shot here?

[1:08:06] Why didn't we end on the previous shot?

[1:08:08] What does this represent?

[1:08:09] Why is it necessary?

[1:08:10] And I couldn't really answer it, you know.

[1:08:12] Well, you know, it's that teaching Mrs. Tingle juice that A.W. is bringing to the table.

[1:08:19] Did you guys, do they still make that?

[1:08:20] Do you remember when that was on all the shelves while the kids were drinking at lunch, teaching Mrs. Tingle juice?

[1:08:23] Well, it made people tingle and not in a pleasant sort of, you know, sexual way.

[1:08:29] Weird, okay.

[1:08:29] Yeah, it could lead to convulsions, yeah.

[1:08:31] Yeah.

[1:08:33] so let's do final judgment we finished is this movie yeah of course uh sometimes i forget them

[1:08:40] but this time i didn't our special shocktober category can't wait to hear him again yeah

[1:08:45] totally scarifying was it totally snorifying or was it frighteningly funny and um i'm gonna

[1:08:55] look i'm gonna give this a mild snorifying there were like there was this movie kevin williamson

[1:09:02] i i've given him a hard time like he's been he's written great stuff including the first scream

[1:09:07] which again love uh i don't think as a director he has like a lot of facility for suspense like

[1:09:13] i just don't think this movie has much in the way of suspense on top of all of like kind of

[1:09:20] flaws we've noted along the way so i'm not going to say it's good however i did get you know some

[1:09:26] little like twinges of joy for the reasons that the filmmakers expect me to which is i have

[1:09:32] nostalgia for this world you know i had the cozy scream slasher feelings for some of it

[1:09:39] but uh basically snorifying what do you think stew yeah i'm with you i mean there's a few moments

[1:09:46] like there's a there's a moment where joel mckale is leaning over a spilled over toolbox in his

[1:09:52] garage and the billowing plastic curtain blows backwards for a moment and you can see the ghost

[1:09:59] face standing there before it blows the other way i think there's moments like that that i think do

[1:10:04] work but for the most part no this doesn't i think this is this is the the weakest entry in the

[1:10:11] franchise and certainly suffers from like the laws of diminishing returns yeah i agree i would also

[1:10:17] call it snorifying it's serviceable in a lot of ways but it certainly is considering that that

[1:10:23] first scream was such a breath of fresh air at the time it certainly does feel like you're saying

[1:10:27] to this this law of diminishing returns where the thing that was once new becomes increasingly more

[1:10:32] tired you know um so there are worse movies you could watch than scream 7 but there are much

[1:10:37] better movies that you could watch and i'm like a franchise like the saw movies again a series of

[1:10:42] movies that i feel like i am being like held against my will to watch have slowly won me over

[1:10:48] and the most recent entry i think is maybe the best if not in contention but part of the things

[1:10:55] that makes that series work

[1:10:57] is that like their slavish devotion

[1:10:59] to those tropes is part of the fun.

[1:11:03] And I feel like those are actually,

[1:11:05] I don't know, they're also stupider

[1:11:07] and that's what makes them work.

[1:11:09] I don't know.

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[1:17:25] Hey.

[1:17:26] Hey.

[1:17:27] Y'all want to...

[1:17:28] What's up, dog?

[1:17:30] Wow, I feel cool now.

[1:17:31] Yeah.

[1:17:32] Y'all want to answer some letters?

[1:17:34] Y'all ready for this?

[1:17:36] Which I mean answering letters?

[1:17:37] Mm-hmm.

[1:17:37] Let's talk to...

[1:17:38] The audience doesn't know that Dan doesn't use the word y'all much in talking, but over

[1:17:42] text, he uses it a lot.

[1:17:44] Constantly.

[1:17:45] You know, it's a collective pronoun or whatever.

[1:17:49] We have that in New Jersey.

[1:17:50] It's you guys.

[1:17:52] Not yous?

[1:17:53] Yous?

[1:17:54] Yeah.

[1:17:54] No, no one says yous.

[1:17:55] Come on.

[1:17:56] I don't know.

[1:17:57] I'm from Illinois where we say milk funny according to you guys.

[1:18:02] You sure do.

[1:18:03] And untell.

[1:18:05] Yeah.

[1:18:06] And you say pen when you mean to say pen.

[1:18:09] Mm-hmm.

[1:18:09] You know, I mean, I have to at this point accept that it is causing genuine confusion to the people around me.

[1:18:16] But it always, I'm always like, you can't tell from like the context of what I'm saying that I would not.

[1:18:23] Dan, I will say, I heard you on the phone

[1:18:25] when you were ordering those 10-10 pin pens.

[1:18:28] It was very hard to understand for the guy.

[1:18:31] And I understood it, yeah.

[1:18:33] But not 10-10 pin pens.

[1:18:39] Yeah, exactly.

[1:18:40] Hey, this one's from Ed, middle name withheld Harris.

[1:18:45] Ed McMahon?

[1:18:46] Well, apparently it's Ed Harris.

[1:18:48] Ed Harris, the actor?

[1:18:51] Ed TV Harris?

[1:18:53] This letter goes like this.

[1:18:56] Mushmouth Elliot made a reference to spinal judgments on a recent episode.

[1:19:01] What are those and how do they work?

[1:19:03] I'd love to see an episode where he rips out Stuart's spine, Mortal Kombat style,

[1:19:07] and decides if it's good, bad, bad, bad, or a spine he kind of likes.

[1:19:11] Can I interrupt and say no?

[1:19:14] Sorry, Stu.

[1:19:15] We got to do what the audience says.

[1:19:16] They're the boss.

[1:19:17] I also have a real question.

[1:19:20] Oh.

[1:19:20] I mean, that wasn't a question at all.

[1:19:22] It's not even a fake question.

[1:19:25] Well, I could say it this way.

[1:19:27] I also have a real question.

[1:19:28] Oh, okay.

[1:19:29] Okay, yeah, yeah.

[1:19:30] See, that's where inflection comes in.

[1:19:34] Or as you call it, infliction.

[1:19:36] Directed by Paul Schrader.

[1:19:39] That was affliction.

[1:19:41] I recently watched two movies I didn't exactly love,

[1:19:45] but I find myself thinking about a lot.

[1:19:47] The 1987 Ed Harris romp Walker.

[1:19:51] I like that movie.

[1:19:52] That's a good movie.

[1:19:53] And a more recent Swedish movie, Anaria, which has the bleakest ending I've ever seen.

[1:20:02] They're both movies that I think are hard to enjoy, but still take up a lot of space in my brain.

[1:20:08] I'm curious if the Peaches have similar experiences with movies they may not have liked slash loved,

[1:20:13] but still occupy some recurring cerebral real estate.

[1:20:17] Best Ed middle name withheld, Harris.

[1:20:20] You know, what comes to my mind is not stuff like this where it's like it might be too bleak for me to enjoy, but like that lodges.

[1:20:29] It's more like, as previously mentioned, shit that was on HBO a lot when I was a kid and just saw a lot.

[1:20:38] uh speaking of uh flop tv as we did in our personal plugs uh one of these seasons has me

[1:20:46] doing a tribute to forgotten crap on hbo that uh people should check out on youtube now that we've

[1:20:52] made it uh free for everyone not just ticket holders i think folks might enjoy that sure uh

[1:20:58] but uh you know stuff like i don't know hot to trot or who's harry crumb or uh the anthony

[1:21:05] adwords uh movie gotcha about uh well second sight on there with bronson pincho second side should be

[1:21:10] yeah yeah that sort of stuff lodges in my brain it's funny at the right age it's funny you mentioned

[1:21:16] hot to trot because that is it's i that is the movie i was gonna mention really which is like

[1:21:21] i saw it as a kid did not like it don't like it now but i think about scenes from it all the time

[1:21:26] like the scene where the horse's dad has been reincarnated as a fly and is just sitting on

[1:21:32] manure like i think about that scene all the time and i don't know why it just pops up in my head

[1:21:36] and i'm like of all the things i could be thinking about why this why is this what's what's coming

[1:21:41] into my mind you know and it's not like i but that's not even one that i watched a lot as a

[1:21:45] kid i probably saw choice you know but you know if there's something that burns your head burns

[1:21:51] and burns your head if it burns your head you're gonna remember probably unless it burns so much

[1:21:56] that it makes it so hot that it burns your head well it's that he has to trot because

[1:22:01] he's so hot you know it's the only way to cool off i don't know i mean i feel like i i identify

[1:22:08] with this like feeling of bleak things like um i remember what a few years ago uh catching up

[1:22:15] with smile 2 and being like i hate watching this movie i think it is very bleak and i think it has

[1:22:22] far too many rug pulls but i found myself keep thinking uh still thinking about it long after

[1:22:29] and uh i would i mean i feel like i now respect it more than i did on the first watch but uh

[1:22:37] it is a movie that i'm like this has clearly affected me um i just don't don't know if i like

[1:22:42] it it's interesting how like the mileage varies on this kind of thing because like i i agree it

[1:22:49] has too many rug pulls but it never like i didn't get the bleakness i got sort of like a little bit

[1:22:54] Not as funny, but a little bit of like the gleeful, like Sam Raimi, like we're going

[1:22:58] to be mean in this movie.

[1:23:00] Yeah.

[1:23:00] You were like, can't be bleak.

[1:23:01] They're smiling.

[1:23:02] Look at all those smiles.

[1:23:03] Yeah.

[1:23:04] Smiles for miles.

[1:23:05] I mean, it's no bleak house.

[1:23:06] Ooh.

[1:23:07] No.

[1:23:07] Oh boy.

[1:23:08] Don't be in that house.

[1:23:09] It's so bleak.

[1:23:09] Yeah.

[1:23:10] But outside, real nice.

[1:23:12] Mm-hmm.

[1:23:13] Yeah.

[1:23:13] The bleak is just inside the house.

[1:23:14] Just got to leave the house.

[1:23:15] That's the problem.

[1:23:16] Get out of the bleak house.

[1:23:17] You know what?

[1:23:18] Mm-hmm.

[1:23:18] Just stop the lawsuit.

[1:23:19] Get out of there.

[1:23:20] Get out of there.

[1:23:20] Get out of the bleak house.

[1:23:24] right now if jarndyce is unhappy with jarndyce just leave it alone leave it alone get out of

[1:23:31] that bleak house you know uh i saw that i saw the paranormal paranormal activity broadway show

[1:23:40] and uh one of the things i existed one of the things i liked about that show was there came

[1:23:45] a point in the second act where someone came in to like let one of the main characters you know

[1:23:51] It just revealed the information that one of the main characters had been fired because they hadn't been to work for a long time.

[1:23:57] Because of all the paranormal activity, yeah.

[1:23:58] The one thing that I kind of found scary about the show was suddenly realizing how much this had consumed this person and that they hadn't left the house for several weeks.

[1:24:10] On the other hand, I was also like, why aren't you just leaving the house?

[1:24:14] You could just leave the house.

[1:24:16] You don't have to be in there.

[1:24:17] I mean, as a homeowner, I will tell you, a lot of your economic worth is sunk into that house.

[1:24:24] So when people are like, the house is haunted, just get out of there.

[1:24:26] It's like, it's not that easy to walk away from a house.

[1:24:28] Like, I know people who their houses were destroyed in fire, and it's hard for them to walk away from that property that easily.

[1:24:34] I mean, ultimately—

[1:24:35] My parents bought this house, you know, when they were straight out of college for a hay penny.

[1:24:41] I can't sell it.

[1:24:42] I can't walk away from my $10 million house now.

[1:24:45] I mean, ultimately, it was like—

[1:24:46] I mean, I don't think that's the situation in the Paranormal Activity movies, right?

[1:24:50] Well, it's a Broadway show, first off, Elliot.

[1:24:53] Sorry, you're right.

[1:24:54] Well, in this case, actually, the business was paying for the house,

[1:24:58] so there was no reason not to leave the house.

[1:24:59] Oh, then they could have just left, yeah.

[1:25:00] We should have known.

[1:25:01] Then they should have gotten out of there.

[1:25:02] But it was, it did turn out to be an...

[1:25:04] Was it like an edible arrangements business?

[1:25:06] What kind of business was it?

[1:25:07] I don't know what the business...

[1:25:09] It did turn out to be an insidious situation

[1:25:11] where the person was haunted and not the house.

[1:25:13] So leaving the house wouldn't have...

[1:25:15] It wouldn't have helped at all anyway.

[1:25:16] so why are we even

[1:25:17] talking about this

[1:25:17] did they do

[1:25:18] to make it look like

[1:25:19] found footage

[1:25:19] to make it look like

[1:25:21] they put a frame

[1:25:22] around the whole stage

[1:25:23] with a

[1:25:23] and it said wreck

[1:25:24] with a red dot

[1:25:26] next to it

[1:25:26] I would hope so yeah

[1:25:27] the thing that they did

[1:25:28] was

[1:25:29] obviously you can't do

[1:25:31] but they have like

[1:25:32] sort of a cross section

[1:25:33] of a whole house

[1:25:34] so you can see

[1:25:34] all of the house

[1:25:36] at once

[1:25:37] yeah they didn't invent

[1:25:38] that Dan

[1:25:38] I've seen that

[1:25:39] in other places

[1:25:39] but it's kind of

[1:25:40] a cool application

[1:25:41] for a horror thing

[1:25:42] where it's like

[1:25:42] you don't know

[1:25:43] where you're looking

[1:25:45] necessarily

[1:25:45] so something could happen in one corner of the house.

[1:25:48] It's a good idea.

[1:25:49] The other, but the problem with that,

[1:25:51] especially for me who is getting older

[1:25:54] and eyes aren't great.

[1:25:56] You're like, just tell me where to look.

[1:25:57] I don't have that.

[1:25:57] I can't figure this out.

[1:25:58] I mean, like the audience would be reacting to stuff.

[1:26:00] I'm like, what, where?

[1:26:02] What do you think?

[1:26:03] I like to be scared.

[1:26:04] Wait, where's Tony Collette at?

[1:26:06] So the thing that I,

[1:26:08] the exact thing that I didn't want to have happen to me

[1:26:10] with Sleep No More,

[1:26:11] which is why I didn't go see it,

[1:26:12] was happening to you with a regular play.

[1:26:14] because I knew if I went to see Sleep No More,

[1:26:16] I'd be like, I know I'm missing all sorts of stuff.

[1:26:18] Like what's going on?

[1:26:19] It's all the FOMO fear, right?

[1:26:20] Yeah.

[1:26:22] On the subject of movies and Broadway,

[1:26:24] I was happy to know that Dan received two messages

[1:26:27] the other day when it was announced

[1:26:29] that there's a Now You See Me special Broadway magic show,

[1:26:33] one from me and one from Audrey,

[1:26:35] both being like, we gotta go to this dude.

[1:26:37] You gotta go to that.

[1:26:38] You gotta go see that.

[1:26:39] I appreciate that they bothered finding one magician

[1:26:42] that looked kind of like Isla Fisher

[1:26:43] and then the three guys in disguise.

[1:26:46] One guy's got a hat like Woody Harrelson has.

[1:26:49] That's the four horsemen dude.

[1:26:50] You have an Isla Fisher, maybe a Lizzie Kaplan,

[1:26:52] and then one guy with a hat.

[1:26:54] That's it.

[1:26:55] That's all you need.

[1:26:55] I mean, to be honest,

[1:26:56] if you're looking for a guy with a hat,

[1:26:57] magicians are the place to look.

[1:27:00] It's not going to be hard.

[1:27:02] Where they keep all their rabbits.

[1:27:06] And also behind a fence.

[1:27:08] John, last name withheld, is the next letter writer.

[1:27:12] His last name actually dies at the end.

[1:27:14] Oh, wow.

[1:27:16] I have been listening through some older episodes.

[1:27:19] On a live show from 2017, The Return of Xander Cage,

[1:27:23] Elliot expressed genuine horror and disgust at mention of the song Kokomo.

[1:27:28] My question regards the duality of man.

[1:27:31] The holding of two disparate ideas in one's head.

[1:27:34] It's John Stamos' text.

[1:27:37] Elliot, Elliot, how do you love Blue Bada Dee?

[1:27:42] It felt gross to type that out.

[1:27:44] And so hate Kokomo, both of which are impossibly annoying.

[1:27:48] What are the various ways in which a song can be annoying?

[1:27:50] And do you take any such lessons for your own annoying song methodology?

[1:27:54] Dan and Stu, do you have any examples of the same?

[1:27:56] Perhaps on theme, two extremely bad movies, only one of which you love.

[1:28:00] I'll take my answer off the air.

[1:28:02] John, last name withheld.

[1:28:03] Well, I don't know how we would deliver that answer off the air at this point.

[1:28:07] But I will say – I'll try to be brief that – so I'm Blue by Dabba Dee is an annoying song.

[1:28:14] It's a dumb, annoying song.

[1:28:15] I find it to be so funny because the premise is so silly that it's just – the guy is blue.

[1:28:20] That's what – it's not a metaphor.

[1:28:21] He lives in a blue world.

[1:28:22] He lives in a blue world.

[1:28:23] His car is blue.

[1:28:24] His house is blue.

[1:28:25] And it's so fast-paced and it's so easy to use it to annoy people with.

[1:28:29] Kokomo, I think it's partly because I was a kid when it was super popular and it was everywhere.

[1:28:33] But it's always sounded very cloying and kind of gross and self-satisfied and smug.

[1:28:38] And it sounds to me like – this is the story of that song to me is a middle-aged or older man with money is hating on a young woman and is being like, yeah, I'll take you to my private island, babe.

[1:28:47] And he calls her pretty mama, which is disgusting.

[1:28:49] I don't like that.

[1:28:50] Like it's just gross.

[1:28:51] You never call your wife pretty mama.

[1:28:53] I never call my wife pretty mama.

[1:28:55] Try it today and see what happens.

[1:28:57] We also – I mean she is a pretty mama.

[1:29:00] She has two children and she's beautiful.

[1:29:01] But I think the –

[1:29:03] She'll never listen to this episode, so we'll never hear this stunning tribute from L.A.

[1:29:07] She'll never know that I like her.

[1:29:10] But we also don't call each other babe, which is the thing I only see people do in movies.

[1:29:15] I do.

[1:29:16] Okay.

[1:29:16] That's fine.

[1:29:17] I've used it.

[1:29:17] Not a lot, but yeah.

[1:29:19] Well, we don't do that.

[1:29:20] I'm like, babe.

[1:29:21] Yeah, I don't do that.

[1:29:22] We only call each other smushy nuffy muffin.

[1:29:25] Is that okay?

[1:29:26] Is that too –

[1:29:26] Oh, man.

[1:29:27] Only during sex, please.

[1:29:28] Only during sex, yeah, with real intensity.

[1:29:32] But Kokomo just felt, even as a kid.

[1:29:33] No, no, no, baby voices.

[1:29:35] I don't want to be insane.

[1:29:36] For me, Kokomo is not just a bad sounding song that is bad.

[1:29:40] It is also, it is so wrapped up in my head

[1:29:43] with all the things I don't like

[1:29:44] about the baby boomer generation

[1:29:46] being smug and full of its fucking self.

[1:29:49] And so that's what it really,

[1:29:50] whereas I'm blue, if you're reaching for anything,

[1:29:53] maybe it's about being gay

[1:29:55] and trying to find a connection,

[1:29:56] which is i'm not gay myself but it's but it's a it's a story that i find affecting when i see it

[1:30:01] in other forms but i think it's really just about a guy who's blue and wants to tell you he's blue

[1:30:06] i love the opening that the the spoken word part at the beginning that explains to you what the

[1:30:10] song is about i love it i think it's so funny and dumb but kokomo i find disgusting and abhorrent

[1:30:16] like it stands for things i find abhorrent you know yeah i the thing is like we could psychoanalyze

[1:30:22] ourselves and we and we will we will yeah but uh in the after show a lot of these things kind of

[1:30:29] come down to small differences that don't necessarily make full sense to even yourself

[1:30:36] like why it bothers you so much i mean like you that was a good explanation i feel the same way

[1:30:40] about coconut but i also don't like the sound of kokomo like which is not even just the lyrics the

[1:30:45] sound where it's like that kind of like it just feels it's like like steel drums are fine the way

[1:30:51] they use them it just feels super smug and like just gross it that song sounds to me like a guy

[1:30:57] with money who can buy whatever he wants going to an island and just and just lording it over

[1:31:04] the people who live there like it all it all sounds and there's like a soft singing thing

[1:31:08] where they're like you're like i can't hear this guy i have to lean in like

[1:31:11] Like, it's terrible.

[1:31:15] It sucks.

[1:31:15] All of it sucks, you know.

[1:31:16] But to get to, I, sometimes I just don't fully know what the deal is.

[1:31:24] Like, I'm going to spoil Shocktober a little bit and say I had a violently negative reaction

[1:31:31] to Five Nights at Freddy's 2, a movie that was coming up.

[1:31:34] And I'm like, why is this movie making me so, like, rage-filled in a way that, like,

[1:31:40] others similarly like just dumb or poorly made movies don't and i like i can stab at some ideas

[1:31:48] why but also like i don't know if it's if it's five nights at freddy's stabbing is the appropriate

[1:31:53] thing to do yeah it's like i don't know it just did and like i do think that like it is good to

[1:31:58] examine one's own reactions emotional reactions uh but sometimes also i think people try and

[1:32:05] pretend like things are more rational than they are like they come up with a rational reason

[1:32:09] And afterwards, when Audrey and I talk about this a lot with like pop culture stuff, sometimes it's okay just to be like, I don't know.

[1:32:15] It wasn't for me.

[1:32:16] I know.

[1:32:16] I mean, people ask, people, we talked about this before on the podcast.

[1:32:19] I don't like fruit.

[1:32:19] I don't like any of it.

[1:32:20] People go, why?

[1:32:22] Don't know, man.

[1:32:23] Just the way I'm built.

[1:32:24] It's just not a thing I enjoy.

[1:32:26] There's no, and I can try to rationalize, I don't like that, like the stickiness of the texture or how strong the smells are.

[1:32:32] I don't know.

[1:32:32] But really, it's just, it's just not a thing I like.

[1:32:34] I feel like food is like such a, like a basic thing.

[1:32:38] It's very easy to be like, yeah, I don't, just not for me.

[1:32:41] It's just not for me, yeah.

[1:32:43] And I think, Dan, you're right that there would be a,

[1:32:45] I think that there would be a healthier relationship

[1:32:48] between creative work and certainly the internet community

[1:32:52] if we could accept that movies or songs are like food

[1:32:56] in that way where some stuff-

[1:32:57] No, you have to justify your feelings on this thing.

[1:33:00] Tell me why.

[1:33:00] Tell me, I remember after The Dark Knight came out,

[1:33:03] a coworker came up to me and was like,

[1:33:04] tell me why that's a good movie.

[1:33:06] Because I thought it sucked.

[1:33:07] And I'm like, I don't have to tell you why it's a good movie.

[1:33:09] If you didn't like it, that's cool.

[1:33:11] Like, I don't need to tell you.

[1:33:12] I don't need to convince you.

[1:33:13] Ellie presumed combing his zen garden.

[1:33:17] Yeah, yeah.

[1:33:18] Yeah, no, I mean, I think that...

[1:33:19] That's what you call it, right?

[1:33:20] Combing?

[1:33:21] Yeah, combing.

[1:33:22] Yeah, you know, you don't use a comb.

[1:33:23] Yeah.

[1:33:23] It's like that scene in Spaceballs.

[1:33:25] Yeah.

[1:33:26] Well, and that's also the fact that, like,

[1:33:28] that's the way that there's a certain mentality,

[1:33:31] especially, I think it's also, like,

[1:33:32] a very immature mentality of, like,

[1:33:35] there's a way that you can break a work of art down

[1:33:39] and like break it down into clear objective elements

[1:33:44] that point to its value.

[1:33:47] Yes, yes.

[1:33:48] And ultimately you can do that to an extent

[1:33:50] in terms of the quality of execution maybe,

[1:33:53] but you can't force someone to like a thing

[1:33:56] because it is supposed to,

[1:33:57] like I'm reading this biography

[1:33:58] of Edgar Allan Poe right now.

[1:33:59] And it's getting, that was very much his philosophy,

[1:34:02] That poetry is at base a kind of mechanical functioning thing and that you can objectively have a poem that delivers the effects for beauty in a way that is objectively identifiable and aesthetically provable.

[1:34:18] And everyone else was like, I don't know, Eddie.

[1:34:20] Like, I don't know, Eddie, baby.

[1:34:22] I don't know if that's how it works.

[1:34:23] But I think you're right, Stu, and I think Edgar Allan Poe is wrong.

[1:34:26] Edgar Allan Poe, the anti-abolitionist drunk, is not right in this case.

[1:34:31] And I say that being, I like Edgar Allan Poe's work.

[1:34:35] Let's do some recommendations of movies

[1:34:37] that might be better uses of your time.

[1:34:39] Oh, yeah.

[1:34:40] I want to...

[1:34:41] Wait, a better use of your time

[1:34:42] than the seventh movie in the Scream series?

[1:34:45] I want to recommend a movie that I got to see

[1:34:47] at the end of its run just the other day.

[1:34:52] So it will definitely be out of theaters by the time

[1:34:55] this episode drops like two or three weeks from now

[1:34:59] or whatever it is.

[1:35:01] But part of why I want to recommend it even so is, like, I feel like it deserves a little more attention once it makes it to streaming or whatever.

[1:35:11] And that movie is The End of Oak Street, which I didn't.

[1:35:15] I was excited about when everyone was, like, this is, like, a Twilight Zone movie.

[1:35:20] This is, like, an Amblin Entertainment throwback.

[1:35:22] I'm, like, great.

[1:35:23] Sounds great.

[1:35:24] Like, I was really excited by it.

[1:35:26] I'll be honest, it didn't like give me like the overwhelming like, man, I love this thing that I was looking for out of those touch points.

[1:35:36] But part of why I'm recommending it anyway is it's still a very skillful piece of science fiction, light horror filmmaking with, you know, two very strong actors at its core, Ewan McGregor and Anne Hathaway.

[1:35:55] Mm-hmm.

[1:35:55] Hometown girl, Annie.

[1:35:58] And it is a little meaner than you expect, a little scarier than you expect.

[1:36:04] And it is based, you know, not on existing IP.

[1:36:09] And I was listening to this other podcast and they were very positive about it.

[1:36:13] They were like, you know, I'm glad this movie got made.

[1:36:17] They liked the movie, but they were like a little baffled by the fact that it did get made.

[1:36:23] And I'm like, where are we at, man?

[1:36:27] Where are we at?

[1:36:27] That like a movie with two stars that's about a suburban neighborhood that goes back to dinosaur times.

[1:36:36] Like that seems like a bad bet.

[1:36:39] And again, the movie didn't like, it wasn't a hit.

[1:36:41] Like I think that eventually it might make its money back over the years.

[1:36:46] On video, through Blockbuster?

[1:36:47] Well, yeah, that's the problem.

[1:36:48] We don't have those like markets the same way.

[1:36:50] So I shouldn't head over to Polymarket and put bets on a sequel.

[1:36:53] I would.

[1:36:54] Well, I would encourage people maybe.

[1:36:56] The other end of Oak Street.

[1:36:57] You should probably watch the movie first.

[1:36:58] Maybe rent it at home.

[1:36:59] I just have a sickness.

[1:37:01] Maybe rent it at home because I do think that it's good to have these movies that are, you know, skillful blockbuster filmmaking.

[1:37:12] And I find it strange that we're at a place where like, oh, what a risk to do a movie about dinosaurs in the suburbs.

[1:37:20] Because it's not based on anything.

[1:37:21] yeah movie that like you know 20 years ago would not have been looked strange at all you know but

[1:37:29] whatever we don't have time for this tangent i would i would love to do a tangent at some point

[1:37:33] about at a certain point film criticism also became film business criticism and it's not new

[1:37:39] i think it goes back to like anytime a movie was really expensive critics were like fuck this movie

[1:37:44] i'm gonna judge it on how much it cost exactly yeah fuck you water world and then the and i think

[1:37:49] the best criticism is about the product the product and maybe if necessary how the product

[1:37:54] was created by the people who created it but not about like where does this fit in the market

[1:37:58] of films right now and i feel like there's a lot of that in reviews now and i don't know that was

[1:38:03] what made me i mean like i like these people but like it made me annoyed at the framing of it

[1:38:08] because i was just like you are buying into like the structure of the studios when you are making

[1:38:15] this like how did they do

[1:38:17] like why would anyone have made this movie

[1:38:19] like taking this risk you know

[1:38:21] I'm like shut up

[1:38:22] you're supposed to be on the other side of this you should be like this is

[1:38:25] a good movie you should be if you like it

[1:38:26] they should make more movies like this I hope they make more movies

[1:38:29] like this yeah who let an executive have a letterboxd

[1:38:31] account is what Dan's saying yeah

[1:38:32] exactly

[1:38:33] I'm gonna recommend two movies can I do that

[1:38:36] yeah do it okay so I'm gonna

[1:38:38] recommend I'm gonna recommend

[1:38:40] kind of a

[1:38:42] the kind of a returning

[1:38:45] fave of the flop house uh this is the sequel this is the spiritual sequel to the guest i'm

[1:38:50] recommending onslaught the new movie from adam wingard and simon barrett uh it is a slasher

[1:38:57] movie disguised as like an 80s uh or 90s action movie about a trio of evil super soldiers who

[1:39:05] get loose and bedevil a trailer park um and it is uh it has a great score it has some great music

[1:39:13] it has uh dan stevens in a wacky outfit uh have you seen it dan i haven't seen oh man i mean um

[1:39:21] this is uh i would say i will like i will couch this recommendation in the fact that i think like

[1:39:29] it is a lot of foreplay like a lot of build-up and i don't think it has enough payoff um but i

[1:39:37] think part of that is because the build-up spoken like a man but it's because the like the build-up

[1:39:41] is so good that you're like

[1:39:43] Jesus like it's

[1:39:45] it got me so worked up

[1:39:47] that when the end came I'm like oh it was kind

[1:39:49] of a let down so

[1:39:51] but it's still you know I think it's still worth your

[1:39:53] time especially if you're a fan

[1:39:55] of the aforementioned The Guest

[1:39:57] but the other movie I want to recommend is

[1:39:59] the new Greg Araki movie I Want Your Sex

[1:40:02] it's so funny and

[1:40:03] silly and it's got like

[1:40:05] just an incredible performance from

[1:40:07] Olivia Wilde and

[1:40:09] the costumes are great

[1:40:11] and the set design is great

[1:40:13] and it's like funny and silly and sexy.

[1:40:17] It's, yeah, it's just,

[1:40:18] and like it even,

[1:40:20] it's a movie that deals

[1:40:21] with a lot of kind of cliched ideas

[1:40:23] of the way that like people approach art,

[1:40:26] but it still feels fresh and fun.

[1:40:28] I don't know, it's great.

[1:40:29] Yeah, thumbs up.

[1:40:31] I'm gonna recommend two movies also.

[1:40:33] One of those movies is a movie

[1:40:35] I'm sure you've heard of.

[1:40:36] It's called Coyote vs. Acme.

[1:40:38] I went to see it.

[1:40:40] It was exactly what I wanted from that movie.

[1:40:41] It's really funny.

[1:40:43] It's got a lot of Looney Tunes characters in it.

[1:40:45] And they feel right, like their characterization most of it.

[1:40:49] The one thing that doesn't feel right in is the way that they handle Bugs Bunny where I'm like, are you not going to get involved, Bugs?

[1:40:55] Are you not going to like solve this problem?

[1:40:57] But at least when he's on screen, he feels.

[1:41:00] Yes, he feels like Bugs Bunny.

[1:41:01] Yeah, exactly.

[1:41:02] But it's a little bit like if Superman showed up in the middle of a Martian Manhunter movie and was like, here's this problem you got to deal with, MM.

[1:41:09] And Martian Manor would be like,

[1:41:10] well, why don't you deal with it?

[1:41:11] Because you have all my powers and more.

[1:41:13] But I think it was, I had heard the hype about it

[1:41:17] and it lived up to it.

[1:41:19] I just thought it was really funny.

[1:41:20] And it knows when to,

[1:41:22] it has a certain amount of emotion to it,

[1:41:24] which I appreciated.

[1:41:25] But there were a couple of points in the movie

[1:41:27] where you can see the movie at a crossroads.

[1:41:30] Do I take the emotional story beat road

[1:41:33] or do you take the silly road?

[1:41:34] And it takes the silly road most of the time.

[1:41:36] And I really liked that a lot.

[1:41:37] So it's genuinely funny.

[1:41:39] Like I was genuinely laughing out loud at it, you know.

[1:41:41] I want to give a special shout out.

[1:41:43] I have, Audrey and I have come to know filmmaker Ben David Grabinski

[1:41:49] through some movie nerd things in town.

[1:41:51] And in addition to doing a little writing on that movie,

[1:41:56] he also came to oversee the 4DX programming of it

[1:42:01] because he is a weird fan of the form.

[1:42:07] All right, interesting.

[1:42:07] The silly form.

[1:42:09] and wanted it to be done as well and artistically as possible.

[1:42:15] He went and watched the movie several times in 4DX seats

[1:42:20] and made little notes about like, change this, change this, change this.

[1:42:24] More water.

[1:42:26] Yeah.

[1:42:26] And so he invited a bunch of people to a 4DX screening of it.

[1:42:33] And it was fun to like sit there near the guy

[1:42:37] who was responsible for the notes on programming.

[1:42:41] Was he looming over you,

[1:42:42] watching you the whole time with a notepad?

[1:42:44] That was part of the 40X experience.

[1:42:46] Like some kind of acme scientist.

[1:42:47] Right afterward, he was certainly like, eh, eh.

[1:42:50] And it was a great, you know, normally,

[1:42:53] this is not a format for a lot of types of movies,

[1:42:56] but for this movie.

[1:42:57] Speak for yourself.

[1:42:59] For this movie, it was a lot of fun.

[1:43:00] You don't want to see that Green Book 40X conversion

[1:43:02] where they're just throwing chicken wings and things at you

[1:43:04] during the movie.

[1:43:05] Blowing garlic smells.

[1:43:06] I mean, you would love if chicken wings got thrown at you, Elliot.

[1:43:08] I don't necessarily want them thrown at me.

[1:43:10] I'd like them served to me.

[1:43:11] The wing is not my favorite part of the bird.

[1:43:12] Yeah, but you can't choose.

[1:43:13] That's the thigh, of course.

[1:43:14] If it's a choice between no wings being thrown at you and some wings.

[1:43:17] If the choice between no wings to eat at all and having them thrown at me, I'll definitely take door number two.

[1:43:22] We're talking about a situation where you're a beggar, not a chooser.

[1:43:24] It was very nice of him to, you know, arrange it so a few folks could get a free screening of 4DX.

[1:43:33] And I co-signed that this was a very fun...

[1:43:38] This was my favorite, probably, Looney Tunes thing since the actual Looney Tunes.

[1:43:43] I think so, yeah.

[1:43:44] Not the second Space Jam movie?

[1:43:46] But I would say if you're on the fence about seeing Coyote vs. Acme, I'd say go ahead and see it.

[1:43:50] If you're a Looney Tunes fan, they do a really good job.

[1:43:52] It's really funny.

[1:43:52] I feel like there's enough Easter eggs, but they're done in a way where it's like, you don't need them.

[1:43:59] But they're there, and if you like them, they're great.

[1:44:00] Exactly. The one criticism I have, I don't, I don't think the Peter Lorre character sounded

[1:44:04] enough like Peter Lorre, but you know, that's me. That was my one, one criticism. Um, the other

[1:44:10] movie I want to recommend is a, is a very, very, very low budget movie from 2023 called T-Blockers.

[1:44:16] This is an Australian kind of horror film. That's about a, uh, it's written and directed by Alice

[1:44:21] Mayo McKay. And it is about a, uh, a young woman who is trans in Australia. She wants to be a film

[1:44:28] director and is having trouble getting her low budget filming off the ground and then at a

[1:44:33] certain point um kind of uh worms start coming out of the earth that turn men into violent monsters

[1:44:40] that are just attacking people attacking women and trans women especially the screw fly solution

[1:44:44] kind of it is a little bit like the screw fly solution except the movie is much the the horror

[1:44:49] elements of it i think are kind of the less successful elements of it and otherwise it feels

[1:44:54] I think it works really well as like just a very kind of honest look at being a young trans person that is not sensationalized but is also not like – but it's just taken for granted in a way that like this is their life.

[1:45:07] And I found it very charming in a lot of ways.

[1:45:09] But I would say don't go into it looking for kind of like big horror scares or anything like that.

[1:45:16] If anything, it's almost more of a – it becomes kind of more of a revenge fantasy movie than a horror film.

[1:45:22] But it was – I think the people who made it deserve to get attention so they can make bigger things.

[1:45:28] Oh, the filmmaker was 19 when she made it.

[1:45:30] It feels like a movie made by really talented young people.

[1:45:34] But I enjoyed it a lot.

[1:45:35] I thought it was really – I think it was – I found it really affecting.

[1:45:40] But again, it's not like scary necessarily.

[1:45:43] But anyway, that's T-Blockers.

[1:45:45] Added it to my watch list.

[1:45:48] And hey, why don't you add this to your to-do list?

[1:45:52] And give the Flophouse a five-star review on Apple Podcasts.

[1:45:57] I'm just going to say this outright.

[1:45:59] As an older podcast, a podcast that's been around for a while,

[1:46:03] it really helps if, like, say, all of you at once did something like that,

[1:46:10] game the system, you know, make the algo stand up and take notice.

[1:46:15] Is that what algorithms do?

[1:46:16] I don't know.

[1:46:16] They do.

[1:46:17] They stand up and cheer at the flash entering the speed force,

[1:46:20] and then they take notice.

[1:46:21] So if you – everyone listening to this podcast today, while you're listening, just go ahead and leave a five-star review on whatever podcast app you used to get this.

[1:46:29] That would really help us a lot.

[1:46:30] We would very much appreciate it.

[1:46:32] Yeah, and thank you.

[1:46:34] Thank you for sticking with us and for doing that.

[1:46:38] And you know what?

[1:46:39] You know what?

[1:46:39] I don't know whether you did it or not.

[1:46:41] So you can take the thank you, keep it, no matter what.

[1:46:44] Even if you didn't do it.

[1:46:45] Only you know you're lying to yourself.

[1:46:47] Actually, you know what?

[1:46:47] And if you could do that, I'm going to ask for this again, I think.

[1:46:50] I am, I'm checking up Joke Farming on Amazon.com.

[1:46:53] I am one review away from 50 reviews.

[1:46:55] And I think at 50 reviews,

[1:46:57] that algorithm starts paying more attention.

[1:46:59] So while you're listening to this,

[1:47:00] first, go leave a five-star review for The Flophouse

[1:47:02] at the podcaster of your choice, the pod app of your choice.

[1:47:05] Then go to Amazon.com.

[1:47:06] If you've read Joke Farming and you liked it,

[1:47:07] why don't you leave a review, positive, I hope.

[1:47:09] And then that'll help me too.

[1:47:11] And by helping me, you help Dan and Stuart, kind of.

[1:47:15] Kind of, yeah, yeah.

[1:47:16] Unless you help Ali too much

[1:47:18] and then he leaves us behind.

[1:47:19] That would never happen, Dan.

[1:47:20] That would never happen.

[1:47:21] I can only become richer and richer

[1:47:22] and have more time for Flophouse things.

[1:47:24] I believe I have a contract thing

[1:47:27] where I will forever be his like turtle character

[1:47:30] that'll be dragged.

[1:47:32] Turtle from Entourage.

[1:47:33] Yeah, yeah.

[1:47:34] I'll be like dragged along in his wake.

[1:47:36] This was an agreement we actually did make a long time ago

[1:47:38] that Stuart would always be my turtle.

[1:47:40] Yeah.

[1:47:41] You'll always be my turtle.

[1:47:44] I have this whole costume.

[1:47:46] It's for when I go to the turtle club.

[1:47:49] I mean, we're recording this on September 11th,

[1:47:51] so you're wearing a turtle costume

[1:47:52] is actually very appropriate.

[1:47:54] That's how Dana Carvey was dressed when he learned.

[1:47:57] Oh, no, not when he learned.

[1:47:57] They had this moment of silence for that day,

[1:47:59] as we talked about during our Master Disguise show.

[1:48:02] It all ties in.

[1:48:03] It's a good show where everything ties in.

[1:48:07] It's a clockwork mechanism, yeah.

[1:48:09] It all comes together.

[1:48:11] And thank you for listening,

[1:48:12] and thanks Maximum Fun, our podcast network, for having us.

[1:48:17] There are a lot of other great shows on that network.

[1:48:19] Go to MaximumFun.org.

[1:48:21] Check them out.

[1:48:22] Thank you to Alex Smith,

[1:48:24] whom by the time this will have dropped,

[1:48:26] we'll have seen already,

[1:48:27] but now we're looking forward to seeing him

[1:48:30] in Louisville for our live show.

[1:48:33] That's going to be fun.

[1:48:35] Thank you for all you do for us, Alex.

[1:48:38] And for the Flophouse, I have been Dan McCoy.

[1:48:41] I'm Stuart Wellington.

[1:48:43] I am Elliot Kalin,

[1:48:44] who is suddenly a robot for some reason.

[1:48:46] Oh, no.

[1:48:47] Beep boop.

[1:48:48] Okay.

[1:48:48] Okay, well, get that guy an oil can.

[1:48:50] Here we go again.

[1:49:01] You know, as a non-Resident Evil player,

[1:49:05] but someone who recently watched all the Mila Jovovich movies

[1:49:11] because they're doing them on Blink Check,

[1:49:14] I was genuinely surprised to learn.

[1:49:16] I'm like, oh, this character doesn't exist in the games?

[1:49:19] No, not at all.

[1:49:19] It's just like totally added a whole new central character.

[1:49:23] Yeah.

[1:49:24] It's kind of good.

[1:49:26] I mean, how dare they?

[1:49:27] I don't like the new games that are too faithful to things usually.

[1:49:33] But also the thing is like those Resident Evil games are like a lot of like narrative video games

[1:49:38] where you're like, this is cinematic enough.

[1:49:40] I don't need a one-to-one mapping of this.

[1:49:43] The story already exists.

[1:49:46] I played it.

[1:49:46] It was awesome.

[1:49:47] Watching a movie will be similar, except I won't get to kill things.

[1:49:52] You just get to sit back and watch somebody else play.

[1:49:55] Jigsaw goes, would you like to watch someone play a game?

[1:49:59] It's called Twitch, dude.

[1:50:00] Check it out.

[1:50:01] Check it out.

[1:50:01] This is a weirdly popular one.

[1:50:04] They call me Twitchsaw.

[1:50:06] I don't understand it.

[1:50:07] I'm too old to understand why people would want to watch other people play games.

[1:50:11] Here's the secret.

[1:50:12] It helps if you're a sexy babe, but you pretend you're not doing things to seem sexy so you can get around the rules.

[1:50:19] Stop getting in the way of my grift, Elliot.

[1:50:25] Wait, what if there was McGriff to the crime dog, the dog who commits crimes?

[1:50:30] The opposite of McGruff?

[1:50:32] Yeah, the bizarre of McGruff.

[1:50:34] As always, the man with the heart out is wasting.

[1:50:38] Okay, let's get into this.

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